65k Pa SS 2yo c & g- BIG day for Christian Cullen @ The Meadows

[Triple V]

Earlier today, from 2 starters...

Race 2- Good Day Mate (2yo c, Christian Cullen-Stienam's Place-Artsplace) Dave Palone for Chris Oakes, home by 2 & a piece in 1:52.3 (which was a new Stakes record) over a pair of Somebeachsomewhere's.

Race 10- Lex Vegas (2yo g, Christian Cullen- Just Call Me Angel- Artsplace) Dave Palone for Brian Brown, home in 1:53.0 over a Western Terror and a Somebeachsomewhere.

To go with Handsoffmycupcake (2yo f, Christian Cullen- Love You Forty-Artsplace) who won a 65k PaSS by 2 in 1:53.3 @ The Meadows back on the 14th of July.

Largely against the odds (good mares but not that many mares, no great buyer buzz/interest at the sales etc) he's knocking them over.

[eliteblood]

This is from a post I made in August 2007 on another forum. One of many discussions with John Celli regarding the merit of CC.
I do hope that John bred some mare to him in NA.


One never knows when and where the next Meadow Skipper or Abercrombie will come from and there are still many opportunities for the No Nukes sireline to throw up an outstanding sire that will take that sireline forward into the future but IMO, on the whole, sons of Western Hanover and Jate Lobell have missed the target. I realise that is a very broad statement but the momentum currently appears to be very much with the Cam Fella and Abercrombie sirelines. Maybe Rocknroll Hanover is the horse that turns that around.
Actually, I believe that the next truly great sire has already been born but it remains to be seen if he can create a sireline that follows him, especially since he was born into the "wrong" part of the world. Had Christian Cullen been bred and raced in North America I think he would now be the leading sire in the world.

Rgds
Trevor

[mango]

Good Day Mate is a half brother to Put On A Show who is a RNR Hanover mare and has gone 1:49.3 and won over $2.1mil, very nice family and i hope he keeps winning for connection's.

Good Day Mate went through the Lexington Sale Lot 76 and was knocked down for $170k.

[Lexvegas]

All three of the 2 year olds are out of artsplace mares

[Big Max]

seems to be a good cross as our filly "The Archduchess" is out of a mare by Perfect Art and is the best foal out of the family so far by about $270000,but i believe, and this is only my opinion that CC is the best stallion we've seen for a long time bar none,from smaller books of mares over the last few years he continually gets top earners.Champion racehorse Champion Sire!!!

[Triple V]

A remarkable horse. We bred our best mare to him in what was his 2nd crop on the basis of him being the best racehorse we'd ever seen in the modern era in this part of the world & when a great many of the experts here & in NZ were suggesting that as a sire he would turn out to be another Popular Alm.
I recall rather fondly that one well known NZ breeding scribe (who doesn't like to be reminded these days) was in fact so convinced of the great horse's impending & inevitable failure as a sire he stated of Christian Cullen's 1st crop to the early trials/races 'They are dogs...if not fleas'. No sooner had the ink dried on that all-time great wrong call than they duly swept aside anything & everything placed in their path.
I'm really interested to see how they turn out as broodmares as the years pass.
You would have to think the athleticism he left in so many of his offspring will carry his daughters a long way in the breeding barn.

[Lethal]

Talking about Popular Alm....wasn't his parentage a bit suss, it's a long time ago but I do remember the 'stable gossip'.

[Triple V]

I can't recall ever hearing anything about him Lee. There was however a lot of talk years ago about Maori's Idol actually having been sired by the trotting sire, Bank Note & not the pacing sire, Ike Frost. That's one that I do remember. A lot of old timers reckoned he even looked a lot like Bank Note which didn't help matters much. Who knows.

[Lethal]

Back in 'The Good Old Bad Ol'e Days' how would anyone have ever known, but how many sires received a boost in their services only to produce duds?
Some of the 'stats' still available probably suggest that was the case.

[Triple V]

Blanket DNA Testing was the best thing that ever happened for the Breeding side of the business. The fun and games some people got up to prior to that coming in would have made your hair turn white and fall out.

[Lexvegas]

Lex is racing in the arden downs on saturday and then will get a week off before going back into the sire stakes. He is a very good gaited 2year old and loves to race. Had it not been for interference would still be undefeated. Has not been pushed and was brought along slowly. I agree that cristian cullen may be one of the most underated. If he had bred a full book in the usa hard to say what may have happen. I would hope that he may get another chance after this crop. Dont think i will ever get another for 6k took a chance on the artsplace cross

[Triple V]

Bugger, made a gate break @ The Meadows. He's better than that. Where to next?

[Danno]

I can't recall ever hearing anything about him Lee. There was however a lot of talk years ago about Maori's Idol actually having been sired by the trotting sire, Bank Note & not the pacing sire, Ike Frost. That's one that I do remember. A lot of old timers reckoned he even looked a lot like Bank Note which didn't help matters much. Who knows.

Maoris Idol was in fact by Bank Note, but the facts came out too late and the records show Ike Frost.

[Triple V]

Yeh? I always knew there was a question. So it has been settled once & for all?

[Lexvegas]

Maybe a week off then to the sites stakes again.

[Triple V]

Good luck in the PaSS. He just seemed to get a bit anxious leaving. The Christian Cullens have a bit of that in them, they can really fire up a bit at times. We bred a very good filly by him here in NSW & when it suited her she could really grab hold and explode out of the gate. If you try to do otherwise with them it is often like attempting to hold back the incoming tide with a broom. They generally like to be rolling along on the front end & dictating the terms.

[Lexvegas]

He has been a handful note the gelded part. lots of speed. that was the first time we tried to get him out of the gate and he just got a little anxious. Has to be my favorite horse i have owned as i was a big fan of his POPs. Would have been one of the best of all time in my opinion no matter what hemispere he raced in. It would have been nice to see him in north america.