Apgold sale results

[justdoit]

The Brisbane sale results are now on their website, very poor results.

Is the Brisbane sale generaly the poorest of the apg's?

Are the costs the same to feed and care for horses in QLD as in other sates?

I get it.........they breed for the love not the money:)

[justdoit]

Lot Sex Dam Sire Purchaser Amount Bid
305 Colt Call Me Sugar USA Gold Dust Beach John Shefford $4,000
306 Colt Chance The Walk Mach Three Graeme Bowyer $38,000
307 Filly Charm Personified McArdle Paul Morris $16,000
308 Colt Countess Jujon V P Finance Cold Mountain Stud Pty Ltd $4,000
309 Colt Cowboy Chick USA Quality Cam Cold Mountain Stud Pty Ltd $4,000
310 Colt Delta Diamond Lombo Pocket Watch Monarch Farm $4,000
311 Filly Denial NZ V P Finance Burwood Stud $4,000
312 Colt Destinys Child American Ideal Sue Smith $4,000
313 Colt Dimpled USA Gold Dust Beach Cold Mountain Stud Pty Ltd $4,000
314 Filly Down The Catwalk P B Bullville Graeme Bowyer $14,000
315 Colt Easy Duzit Life Sign Belinda Lamb $20,000
316 Colt Fox Valley Hotty USA Gold Dust Beach Vicki Rusmussen $4,000
317 Filly Frosty Mota NZ Rollon Bigred Montana Park Pty Ltd $4,000
318 Colt Gemalot Falcon Seelster Terry MacDermott $13,000
319 Gelding Grecian Robin Ponder Withdrawn - Non Sale Entry Withdrawn
320 Colt Hideaway USA Gold Dust Beach Reg Morris $4,000
321 Colt Hot Torado Badlands Hanover Ken White $28,000
322 Colt Iam In Front Pacific Rocket Jeff Wallace $6,500
323 Colt In It For Fun Famous Forever John and Julie Fyfe $5,000
324 Filly Jackies Shuffle USA Camelot Hall Darren McCall $4,500
325 Colt Jazzy Jasmyn In The Pocket Ricky Gordon $9,000
326 Colt Judala Princess Artistic Cold Mountain Stud Pty Ltd $4,000
327 Filly Just Sweet The Globe Cold Mountain Stud Pty Ltd $4,000
328 Filly Kelly Shardon NZ Rollon Bigred Montana Park Pty Ltd $4,000
329 Colt Ladytrix USA Gold Dust Beach Barb Barry $4,000
330 Filly Likea Butterfly Rollon Bigred Montana Park Pty Ltd $4,000
331 Filly Liz It Is P B Bullville Chris Garrard $9,000
332 Colt Lombo Jasmyn Lombo Pocket Watch Sue Smith $4,000
333 Colt Magica USA The Globe Vicki Rusmussen $4,000
334 Colt Margys Dream NZ Modern Art Louis Vella $10,000
335 Colt Marjosie The Falcon Strike Ken Potter $4,000
336 Colt Millar Road Rollon Bigred Montana Park Pty Ltd $4,000
337 Filly Miraculous Miss Jeremes Jet Solid Earth Pty Ltd $11,500
338 Filly My Golden Phoenix NZ Jeremys Gambit Burns Bloodstock $7,000
339 Colt My Irish Luck USA Gold Dust Beach John Mamminu $6,000
340 Colt Niki Gee P Forty Seven Dale Belford $10,500
341 Filly Only Pink Rollon Bigred Montana Park Pty Ltd $4,000
342 Filly Perfect Angel Ifihadyourluck Burwood Stud $4,000
343 Colt Perfect Gale Jeremys Gambit Grant Dixon $5,500
344 Colt Picturemerollin Rollon Bigred Withdrawn - Non Sale Entry Withdrawn
345 Colt Rayjen Lass Miles McCool Monarch Farm $6,500
346 Colt Riverboat Belle Dream Away Monarch Farm $9,000
347 Filly Roxy Girl P B Bullville Solid Earth Pty Ltd $5,500
348 Filly Shardons Karen NZ Rollon Bigred Montana Park Pty Ltd $4,000
349 Colt Shipps Charm Gold Dust Beach Cold Mountain Stud Pty Ltd $4,000
350 Filly Slick Style McArdle Vic Frost Harness Racing Pty Ltd $32,000
351 Filly Sweet Kelly Marie Dream Away Montana Park Pty Ltd $4,000
352 Colt Sweet Sovereign Live Or Die Greg Mitchell $9,000
353 Filly Treble Trouble Attorney General Peter Veivers $4,500
354 Filly Trend Setter Life Sign Grant Dixon $18,000
355 Filly Ultimate Jewels Artesian Burwood Stud $4,000
356 Colt Wendy Lee P B Bullville Bill Dixon $6,500
357 Colt Whipper Snipper P B Bullville Burns Bloodstock $7,000
358 Filly Abbey Rainbow Marika NZ Grant Dixon $12,000
359 Filly Anxious DD USA Gold Dust Beach Cold Mountain Stud Pty Ltd $4,000
360 Filly Art Exhibit USA Gold Dust Beach Vicki Rusmussen $6,500
361 Colt Beach Boys Lady USA Camelot Hall Francis Weston $5,000
362 Filly Brolga Dance P B Bullville Terry MacDermott $6,500

Total $445,500
Sales Average $7,955

[justdoit]

My account- 6 yearlings if sold possibly made the owners a profit.

[nat]

Doe's appear to be a buy back fest but what could they expect if I lived in QLD with all that has gone on and I was looking at buying another horse I would be living out of the boot of my car. Personally I would say what an effort by Cold Mountain stud to bring what they did to the table I cannot believe that some of their stock didn't sell even though not the elite bloodlines or from champion lines some broodmares were out top shelf sires (Western Hanover, Camluck, Artsplace) from top shelf broodmare sire (No Nukes, Falcon Seelster) going back to horses like Most Happy Fella and Abercrombie lot# 339 from the fabled Miss Duvall line $6000

[mango]

Hi Nat
I think we spoke about this months ago, the flight would be the dearest part in bringing these mare's out and as i said in a previous post who ever is advising Mr Palmer should be out of a job. As Mr Palmer is pooring alot of money into setting up his empire i just would like to see him recieve some good advice on what to purchase so he doesn't run at a loss.

[nat]

Defiantly Mango with the sort of money spent he could had bought a Mr Feelgood type or several and had a good hard go of taking on the big guns in both Hemispheres

[buster]

he would have 1000 people in his ear telling him what to do and most of them would have little idea other then on how to get a share of the cash

[justdoit]

This is from John Anderson

Good news to come out of the Melbourne APG Sales in early February.

APG SALES

Over the Hunter Cup weekend (two sales) the average price for genuine sales rose by 2.5% (up to $18,846) while the clearance rate increased by 6.5% (to 78.9%). The demand for quality stock remained high, with an Art Major/Full Pleasure colt topping the sale at $100,000. Several buyers invested a total of between $100,000 and $150,000, therefore confidence in the industry remains positive.

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i do not like averages:)

haha demand for quality stock remained high, hahaha not breeding stock.

[Love Of Courage]

Hello Hello,

I live in Brisbane and tried to sell 3 colts at this sale. I sold 1 and the other 2 did not receive a bid. I think the term buybacks is misleading as I did not buy back my 2 unsold colts as they were "Take Backs" as they did not attract a bid. How many others that have the $4,000 sales figure are take backs ?

[nat]

Hi Love Of Courage

What was the telling factor at the sale lack of interest or lack of money in QLD at the minute with all the disasters up there

[mango]

Hi Nat
I think because the Harness Racing industry don't know if there comming or going or where they will be racing. I think the racing minister is trying to screw the standarbred industry over. Fancy wanting to sell Albion Park and then put a bit over half the money into a new set up and spend the rest on the gallop tracks. What a w_ _ _ _ _ lol

[Love Of Courage]

Hello Nat,

I think that Qld has always been at the lower price range. I guess the service fees will influence prices as it makes sense the sale average for $2,000 stallions is likely to be less than $6,000 so this is a factor. How many buyers travel to Sydney or Melbourne sales from Brisbane, compared to Sydney or Melbourne people travelling to brisbane to buy. The smaller number of buyers at the sale means less competition. With Rocklea track closed, Gold Coast closing due to the hospital, and the uncertainty over Albion Park and trainers looking interstate is it any wonder things were very bad.

I have been told by ( Very respected people in the industry )that I would get better prices interstate, so this is something that I will be looking at in future.

[Bonnie]

The Premium and Melbourne APG sales results were extremely disappointing. The APG sales report and John Andersons comments did little for the credibility of the authors. Better to acknowledge the poorer sales results and consult with the breeders to address issues and work towards improvement.
There were too many horses available for purchase in Melbourne. Including the Lombo Sale 354 horses were catalogued for sale under the APG banner. There is 181 available in Sydney. Whilst the Premium concept sounded good it has inherent problems. The selection process itself, stabling allocations , DVD distribution ( very late this year !) an auctioneer who knew nothing about harness racing selling our premium stock , etc etc.
At this stage I would like to see Melbourne revert to its own sale as most breeders I have spoken to are " over " the Premium concept. Leave it to the buyers to select their own premium lots !
As with everything in life things must not only be correct but must be seen to be so. That is why Stewards and racing officials do not race horses: maybe those in a position of influence at APG should not enter yearlings in a selected sale as it is always open to speculation.

[triplev123]

I was talking to a number of buyers and vendors earlier this evening at Bulli and the feeling there was that the Melbourne sale results were poor for two main reasons, 1) because there were too many horses catalogued for the number of buyers that would be present and 2) there was significant concern within the VIC Industry with regard to the near future as far as perceived problems with Melton, the $$$ cut from the Pokies drying up, TAB licence renewals becoming due etc etc. I can't really say if those fears are well founded or not however the general consensus was that things are apparently very negative in VIC at the moment, unlike up here in NSW. The sale of HP and subsquent recent announcements regarding prizemoney increases should see a very different outlook at the Sydney APG. The Trainers, Drivers and Owners at Bulli seemed to be very, very upbeat.

[triplev123]

Brisbane Lot 321. Was he purchased by Ken White from WA?
If it is one & the same then I'd be following that colt's progress closely because over the years he has proven to be a very, very good judge.

[justdoit]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/02/23/3146402.htm

[mango]

Hi Justdoit
You have to wonder why people breed and thats me included. With the money the Government make's of racing through taxes you'd think they would look after us a bit more instead of wasting it.

[justdoit]

Hi Mango,
It is a major problem, and it is not easily fixed.
Around the world are there any business models(not sure if that is the correct way to term it?) that are more successful than our
breeding industry's?
The French?
Thoroughbreds and Standardbreds encounter the same problems when it comes to sales, the limited books for stallions seems not to
benefit them greatly. IMO

[mango]

Hi Justdoit

There's no quick fix and to be honest i wouldn't know where to start, i just hope with prize money increase's that will be anounced soon in n.s.w it might pick thing's up for the breeders at sale time.