Speaking of huge wanks- Change Of Tactics notifications

[triplev123]

G'day all,

Along with the abhorent practice of seeding Futurity Heats comes my other much despised aspects of racing...that of the Stewards prevailing upon Trainers/Connections to make pre-race notifications of a change of tactics.
One wonders just how much spoon-feeding the Punters of today require in order for them to be able to sort out just who might go forward or float out and look for a sit or take off the gate early and line themselves up for one late shot at the leaders.
It is nothing short of absurd that anyone should be required to forecast their race tactics & that public announcements then be made to that effect. The term change of tactics is an absolute misnomer in itself...for how can a widely announced intention also be regarded as a tactic??????????? Absurd, absolutely bloody absurd. The preponents of this policy should be ashamed of themselves.

[buster]

its a good rule

[triplev123]

For Punters who need to have their hands held and be spoon-fed.

[buster]

its to stop rorters not to help punters do speed maps

[triplev123]

The Stewards are there to stop the rorters Buster, that is their job...though IMO what was a terrible 'let's go up every dry gully possible' drive aboard a short priced fav. at Newcastle in recent times astoundingly went straight through to the Keeper until I believe someone rang up or wrote a letter/sent an e-mail and complained. They might need to sharpen their focus a little too. Now if the COT announcements are, as you suggest, in fact not in place in order to hold the hands of and to spoon feed the less than savvy Punters out there...why is it that we have on-track announcements being made exactly to that effect, often with the repeating of same over Sky?

[DAZZA]

Can see were you are coming from triplev but it needs to be there esp for the bigger stables that regulary have 2 or more starters in one race. Things start to happen were horses that always hold the front hand up to a stablemate that normally goes back. Which in turn gives punters the sh*ts, which in turn turns people away. Just the stewards trying to uphold the integrity of the sport. Which is another discussion for another time.

[triplev123]

That's a reasonable point re: stablemates Dazza.
Perhaps then and only then, the rule should be applied?
If one or more are to be driven contrary to the 'norm' & specifically due to the presence of another/others then I don't have anywhere near as much of a problem with it.
Where I do have a real issue is the one horse entries. Why should they be officially obliged/prevailed upon to flag their intentions to all & sundry?
There are already more than enough 'unofficial' stablemates to contend out there as it is without giving them a further leg up on you by way being forced to spill your guts over the loud speaker pre-race.

[montana]

the worse thing is when the announcement comes out that they MAY vary tactics and then dont. from a punting perspective i appreciate the announcement when it actually happens that way but it annoys me when they dont vary tactics because it has most likely changed my bet in the race and not to mention other driver tactics would change based on the announcement too.

[DAZZA]

It is self explanitory most of the times, alot of horses have gate speed, if they draw well they can lead, if they draw 6 and three horses drawn underneath of it all come out, well your better served going back, dont need someone to go tell the stewards the obvious. That is a waste of time.

The bit about the rule that annoys me more than anything is were connections can say "may go back IF CIRCUMSTANCES PERMIT" thats just giving yourself a loophole, go forward simply say cirumstances didnt suit, go back well you've notified stewards.

[triplev123]

I think that's the best way to handle such a stupid rule. If circumstances permit.
If circumstances permit.......I will compete in the 2012 Olympic Mens 100m Final.
I'm getting the hang of it already. :cool:

[aussiebreno]

I think that's the best way to handle such a stupid rule. If circumstances permit.
If circumstances permit.......I will compete in the 2012 Olympic Mens 100m Final.
I'm getting the hang of it already. :cool:
Lol; if circumstances permit I'll have an arm and a leg on Soho Valencia winning tonight!

[Bravo]

cot need to announced by stewards as it is important to punters where the wank factor sets in is they only need advise stewards 45 min before race too bad for latteer legs of quaddie and what would happen if the stewards said they did not agree with tactics maybe dazza can expand on the integrity aspect of stewards

[DAZZA]

Well as far as Im concerned stewards (in QLD esp) have been walking round with their eyes closed for a very long time. Its only now that John Hackett has come back from the gallops that some questions are being asked. If a trainer has two horses in a field they are asked of their tactics for each runner, not that they are told to the public tho. Funny games to get played in QLD and its about time someone put the sh*ts up them or alot of people are going to turn their backs on the sport. When one of your top stewards places a bet on a horse that improves 5 lengths on its last start and wins something has to be done.

[Bravo]

dazza in fairness that top steward was cleared and is now back at gallops and i agree hackett has experience but the grapevine says he didnt want that job and was given it due to no other suitavble applicants given that i'm worried what we are going to end up with in nsw

[Flashing Red]

Can see were you are coming from triplev but it needs to be there esp for the bigger stables that regulary have 2 or more starters in one race. Things start to happen were horses that always hold the front hand up to a stablemate that normally goes back. Which in turn gives punters the sh*ts, which in turn turns people away. Just the stewards trying to uphold the integrity of the sport. Which is another discussion for another time.

I agree with Dazza. The rule sucks from a (honest) tactical perspective, but it is in an attempt to alleviate team driving (without mentioning any states in particular - I must say it is more rampant in some states than others). I think with this rule people would think twice before attempting to team drive with 2 or more stablemates, therefore I think it is a good rule for the stewards to have access too :)