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Richard prior
07-28-2014, 12:55 AM
Here's a few more to look at Jack
Always a Virgin $1,022,703 at 3
Rock n Roll Heaven $2,156,192 at 3
Roll with Joe $1,649,725 at 3
Sportswriter $750,780 at 3 and was injured.

trish
08-12-2014, 11:14 PM
Here's a few more to look at Jack
Always a Virgin $1,022,703 at 3
Rock n Roll Heaven $2,156,192 at 3
Roll with Joe $1,649,725 at 3
Sportswriter $750,780 at 3 and was injured.


What do you think of RWJ Richard?
If you went with one of these sires who would you prefer?

Richard prior
08-12-2014, 11:57 PM
I like all 4 Trish but really like Rock n Roll Heaven, He has an amazing pedigree and should cross nice with a lot of different mares. Sportswriter's young ones are blowing them off the park up in Canada at the moment and it will be interesting to see if they can keep it up as the season draws on. Always a Virgin is doing a very good job in Nth America and I think that he's well priced in our marketplace. Roll with Joe was a very good horse and I wouldn't be surprised if he does well at stud, Its very tough for a well related stallions, As we've seen in the past with others, There have been some great disappointments but I really think that RWJ will do a pretty good job, I wouldn't be silly enough to compare him to Bettor's Delight but you never know. Another brother, No Pan Intended has done a fairly good job at stud in Nth America so RWJ would be worth a shot. I think that Trevor Swan might have a bit of input with these stallions. Peppertree is in for a bumper year IMHO.

trish
08-13-2014, 12:15 AM
Thanks Richard.....great reply, as usual.
Cheers

Messenger
08-13-2014, 01:40 AM
If only his wife could get such an answer to a question from him :mad:

eliteblood
08-13-2014, 03:32 AM
I like all 4 Trish but really like Rock n Roll Heaven, He has an amazing pedigree and should cross nice with a lot of different mares. Sportswriter's young ones are blowing them off the park up in Canada at the moment and it will be interesting to see if they can keep it up as the season draws on. Always a Virgin is doing a very good job in Nth America and I think that he's well priced in our marketplace. Roll with Joe was a very good horse and I wouldn't be surprised if he does well at stud, Its very tough for a well related stallions, As we've seen in the past with others, There have been some great disappointments but I really think that RWJ will do a pretty good job, I wouldn't be silly enough to compare him to Bettor's Delight but you never know. Another brother, No Pan Intended has done a fairly good job at stud in Nth America so RWJ would be worth a shot. I think that Trevor Swan might have a bit of input with these stallions. Peppertree is in for a bumper year IMHO.

I think you nailed it Richard and there is a lot to like about each of the stallions.
RWJ ticks every box, USTA 3YO of the Year, good individual, from an outstanding broodmare and a full brother to a mighty stallion in Bettors Delight. Curiously, I think that has been looked upon as a negative by many breeders who look upon him as being just another full brother to a great horse and fail to credit him for his own individual achievements. I don't know what his numbers have been like in USA but I think they have been a bit disappointing down here.

Messenger
08-13-2014, 11:55 AM
USTA Stallion Showcase

trish
08-13-2014, 02:20 PM
USTA Stallion Showcase

Looks disappointing over there as well. Hope he proves them wrong, I like him a lot.

mango
08-13-2014, 02:27 PM
Looks disappointing over there as well. Hope he proves them wrong, I like him a lot.

I don't think his numbers are to bad over there, I think they can only serve 150 max a year.

trish
08-13-2014, 02:55 PM
I looked at the total reg foals at 111 (for 3 years?) or am I reading it wrong

mango
08-13-2014, 03:29 PM
[QUOTE=trish;35095]I looked at the total reg foals at 111 (for 3 years?) or am I reading it wrong[/QUOTE

88 live foals after serving 137 the first year isn't the best.

Messenger
08-14-2014, 02:44 AM
I looked at the total reg foals at 111 (for 3 years?) or am I reading it wrong
I was reading it as 2yrs Trish
Mares Bred in 2012 then sees these Foals Registered in 2013
MB in 2013 then sees FR in 2014
but I am not certain

eliteblood
08-14-2014, 05:16 AM
RWJ has 88 foals registered to date from 137 mares bred in his first year (2012) and 23 registered to date from 134 mares bred in his second year (2013).
137 and 134 mares represents pretty good patronage.
88 from 137 equates to a live foal percentage of 64% which is our average over all stallions in Australia.

Richard prior
08-14-2014, 07:45 AM
Hi Trevor, They are pretty good figures considering 150 mares per season is the max over there, Goes to show a lot of breeders have faith in RWJ.

trish
08-14-2014, 02:40 PM
RWJ has 88 foals registered to date from 137 mares bred in his first year (2012) and 23 registered to date from 134 mares bred in his second year (2013).
137 and 134 mares represents pretty good patronage.
88 from 137 equates to a live foal percentage of 64% which is our average over all stallions in Australia.

Thanks Trevor.

eliteblood
08-14-2014, 08:46 PM
By the way, there is a Roll With Joe service currently being sold on Ebay.
Closes tomorrow, current bid is $2700

Richard prior
08-14-2014, 08:56 PM
Real good value at half his fee .

Richard prior
08-14-2014, 10:25 PM
By the way, there is a Roll With Joe service currently being sold on Ebay.
Closes tomorrow, current bid is $2700
Trish, You should keep your eye on this one, Cam's Card Shark blood works pretty good with your mares family and RWJ is definitley worth a shot.

trish
08-14-2014, 11:52 PM
Trish, You should keep your eye on this one, Cam's Card Shark blood works pretty good with your mares family and RWJ is definitley worth a shot.

Will do Richard.

Messenger
08-15-2014, 11:11 AM
Thanks Trevor.
No thanks for the Messenger :confused:

trish
08-15-2014, 09:23 PM
No thanks for the Messenger :confused:


Yep BIG thanks Messenger. I don't know how to put a smile face on but you get one.

Richard prior
08-15-2014, 10:17 PM
Yep BIG thanks Messenger. I don't know how to put a smile face on but you get one.

I think Kev wants a cuddle Trish lol

Triple V
08-16-2014, 09:06 AM
Leading Money Winning Sires in 2014
2-Year-Old Pacers

Sire Name Foals Starters Earnings
SPORTSWRITER 154 91 1,217,720
BETTOR'S DELIGHT 115 77 776,814
WELL SAID 100 59 691,621
ROCK N ROLL HEAVEN 103 66 632,193
DRAGON AGAIN 85 48 596,844
ART MAJOR 92 67 586,077
SOMEBEACHSOMEWHERE 67 51 555,672
WESTERN TERROR 103 57 542,415
ROCKIN IMAGE 107 66 526,794
AMERICAN IDEAL 85 53 472,886
FEELIN FRISKIE 54 43 469,697
PANSPACIFICFLIGHT 124 58 389,996
ROCKNROLL HANOVER 133 75 336,874
WESTERN IDEAL 49 27 323,394
SPORTSMASTER 61 38 310,325
MCARDLE 37 24 282,750
ALWAYS A VIRGIN 51 31 279,843
YANKEE CRUISER 40 25 228,326
PONDER 30 12 225,875
REAL DESIRE 75 43 193,400
Updated: 08/15/2014 04:01PM