Lazarus 2nd beaten about 2mts in 1.46.2 came from 6th on the turn racing 1 off for the mile big run.
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Lazarus 2nd beaten about 2mts in 1.46.2 came from 6th on the turn racing 1 off for the mile big run.
Impressive
The story and replay link
http://www.harnesslink.com/Internati...us-at-Red-Mile
Take nothing away from McWicked but confirmation of the importance of post position and the trip. Well done McWicked and a great effort from Lazarus.
Jimmy Takter
@JimmyTakter
I am extremely proud of Lazarus performance outside two turns and make up half a length on Mc wicked in the stretch amazing horse
3:57 AM · Oct 7, 2018
Have to admit Lazarus has gone better than I ever expected, that run changed my mind. Makes me wonder how fast some of our good mile horses could run at that track. They would smash the 1.46 record , we have had some go 1 to 2 seconds faster than Lazarus ever did here.
US buyers will be taking a good look at our horses now ! At a time that we really need our best horses to stay here.
Yes Dot Mcwicked is a very good horse had the better run result changes if positions swapped i think it wasn't a good drive by Gingras but Lazarus showed his heart by taking ground off Mcwicked over the concluding stages.
Agreed Greg, reverse the draw and runs and Laz wins, but that is racing, and racing luck. Mcwicked is in the record books as the winner but Lazarus loses nothing in running second.
Adam Hamilton
@AdamTABSports
From @JimmyTakter live on @SkyRacingAU - “I could not be prouder. He didn’t get the trip we hoped. He covered at least 4len extra being out deep and that equates to a 1.45.6sec Mile.” Great get @GregHayes78
I probably thought the same Rick but in the past his campaigns weren't specifically targeting mile racing while now they are - it makes me wonder how many Southern Hem horses really would be better.
There is however no questioning that he was the yardstick when it came to distance races
Not saying we don't have any others that couldn't go similar to Laz (and be successful in the U.S. in open class) but to suggest that they could smash 1:46 because they were 1 or 2 seconds faster then Lazarus here Rick is a big call. Lazarus's last two seasons here started with a NZ Cup campaign over two miles and targeted races longer then a mile after that, mile racing was pretty much an afterthought for his campaigns, and he simply wasn't at his best for those races. Now he is being trained for a mile, and despite a hiccup with illness and a resulting quiet run the qualities that made him a champion here over longer distances are shinning through.
Watching that replay again I don't think we, or they, have another horse that could run that mile like Laz did.
Agree, Dot. MM was always the glass of Port after an 8-course degustation menu for Laz. Never going to be the main course.
Just loved the way he was still powering home on the line yesterday. The real Lazarus.
There are milers and there are others, Lazarus is one of the very mighty "others", sure he will improve his mile racing ability the more he is confronted with it and tries to adjust to it, BUT the horse is not a miler just like Blacks A Fake wasn't , Pure Steel wasn't, Rowley Alla was, Gammalite wasn't and Popular Alm was. Lazarus is the best horse produced in the Southern Hemisphere in probably 25 or 30 years or more, no horse has done to top class stayers in staying races what he has done in my memory and that only goes back to the late sixties.
I would love to see him race McWicked over 2 miles!!! It would be a slaughter, if the people who bought him have any nouse whatsoever, they would be trying to line something like that up and show the world what he is REALLY capable of.
All the horses that beat Lazarus in Aus over the mile were also trained to race mostly longer distances and came from similar lead up campaigns. Although he did have probably the hardest lead up to Miracle Miles . I don't see any reason that they would not improve just as much if they were trained for only mile racing in faster carts and on faster tracks. It's just my opinion and unfortunately most of the horses that beat him have retired or broken down so we will probably never find out.
He is doing a great job promoting Australian harness racing to the world and hopefully he will break the world record.
So Rick do you think there are horses that are milers and horses that are not?
What about the very few horses that beat Blacks a Fake and their success or otherwise over a distance or a mile?
Do you also think the gallopers dream up favorite distances for their horses?
How many horses have beaten Lazarus over a distance beyond 2000 meters ?
The horse is light years above all others in his generation over a distance, you can choose to ignore that fact if you like but it remains so if you look at facts that are recorded for those that choose to avail themselves.
Rick, will no doubt post for himself but I think he was the one who reignited this debate with post 125 by suggesting Laz isn't one of our 'milers'
Danno, I'm not sure if you have read all my posts.
I think Laz is one of the best horses Australasia has ever produced over distances above one mile. I have never disputed that.
I do think some horses are better over shorter trips and some are better over longer trips. The figures on Lazarus for one mile races in Aus are 4 starts for 1 win. Over longer distances he was rarely beaten.
I think Lazarus goes best over trips longer than one mile and I am amazed that he is running such good times in US and Canada.
Some people on here and other forums seem to think that the horses that beat him here over one mile would not improve their mile performances as much as Lazarus has. I think they would improve to a similar extent and I think some of them could run faster miles than he has.
These are my opinions and I am well aware of all the facts and figures . I have never ignored his record over longer distances or disputed his ability over distance. I think that you have misunderstood my post . I am just curious as to how fast the horses that beat him here over the mile could go in the US. I don't think any of them were better horses overall but they could run faster miles than Lazarus did in Australia. So I think some of them might have been able to go even quicker over a mile than whatever time Laz ends up going.
It was frequently remarked during Smoken Ups career and domination of mile racing on the Menangle track what a great stayer he was. And mile racing at its fastest is exactly that, a staying test, there are no cheap sectionals, no breathers in the run, Lazarus is a great stayer, perhaps our greatest stayer, and therefore he is a great miler, and very likely our greatest miler too.
Laz is possibly the greatest 2400m+ stayer because of his aerobic capacity can maintain 27,28 qtrs all day long.
His anaerobic capacity isn't as great at staying and is what what brings him back to the field because he can't sustain three 26qtrs as well as a Soho Tribeca can.
As an aside his speed/acceleration is also only par with other Grand Circuit horses. Not quite so simply but its his aerobic capacity that wins him his races.
Note the final two quarters on a lightning fast track were 27 and 27. In the two Miracle Mile failures
one featured a 26.1 and the other a 25.9 quarter in the last 800m. Quarters the other days were perfect for Laz. He eased off in the 26 opening quarter so his anaerobic capacity wasn't tested like it was in the Miracle Miles.
Same story in his Chariots of Fire mile win - his anaerobic energy stores never got depleted because there was only 27 quarters.
Smoken Up great anaerobic stores and record at the Mile. Im Themightyquinn had weaker anaerobic stores and stops his amazing sprint after a few hundred metres. Head to head who had the better record at distances 2400m+? It wasnt the 'Stayer' it was Quinny. Different energy systems required at different distances and even across the way same distance races are run.
I’ll put my 2 bobs worth in and no argument with what’s been posted above, To me, Lazarus is a very intelligent horse that has gone from 1 training regime to a completely different 1 in another country, He’s landed in Nth America with 1 thing in mind, Mile racing and has adapted very quickly to this style of racing, He is far better over longer distances as we know but it’s staggering to me just how far he’s proggressed and how much his PB’s have come down, Now he’s in the 1.46 plus range which is a hell of an achievement and Jimmy Takter must take a lot of credit for this, To turn a very seasoned horse around from racing over a variety of distances to just Mile racing is an incredible feat
Agree Richard bar one thing and that's the "he is far better over longer distances as we know". Lazarus has been more successful over longer distances racing down under but that doesn't necessarily translate directly to he is better over longer distances then he is over a mile.
As Brenno posted above horses do have varying aerobic and anerobic excercise capacity, and fast, slow and adaptive muscle fibres, and different energy systems are required to win races depending distance and on the way the race is run. But muscle fibre and aerobic and anaerobic capacity are adaptive and modify (to a degree) as a result of training, that is excercise intensity and duration.
With a focus on distance racing downunder, particularly in NZ, no doubt Lazarus training routine was tailored to maximising his ability over longer distances in a manner Mark Purdon has used with success for many years, which along with the proportion of distance races as opposed to mile races in his resume was unlikely to give a true indication of his ability over a mile. Certainly in that last MM he drew 10 and arguably he was effected by ill health, and there were at least three horses who went great races that day, most outstanding to me Soho Tribecca.
But the improvement in a horse is not unlimited, Lazarus's "poor" mile times but otherwise phenomenal record, meant he had room for major improvement over the mile, and he has adapted and found it under a program tailored for mile racing by Jimmy Takter. I've every respect for what Our Field Marshall, Jilliby Kung Fu and in particularl Soho Tribecca achieved in the last miracle mile but they were clearly at the top of their game on the day and would certainly be compeditive in the top class in the U.S. and perhaps improve their marks a little but I don't believe they are open to the same degree of improvement over a mile that Lazarus was.
Dot we are talking about hypothetical situations and personal opinions . I would love to see the 3 horses you mentioned above go to the US and see what they could do. My opinion is that at least one of them would go better than 1.46 and faster than what ever Lazarus does. I may be wrong, I have been before , on the odd occasion I am proved correct. I respect everyone's opinion on here and we will just have to agree to disagree.
I must say that I can't make much sense out of Danno's last post. Is it just me ?
$430,000 Breeders Crown Open Pace
PP-Horse-Driver-Trainer-ML
1-Filibuster Hanover-Matt Kakaley-Ron Burke-4/1
2-Lazarus N-Yannick Gingras-Jimmy Takter-3/1
3-McWicked-Brian Sears-Casie Coleman-5/2
4-Western Fame-Brett Miller-Jimmy Takter-6/1
5-Rockin Ron-Chris Page-Ron Burke-12/1
6-Donttellmeagain-Tim Tetrick-Jim King Jr.-9/2
7-All Bets Off-Matt Kakaley-Ron Burke-10/1
8-Dealt A Winner-David Miller-Mark Silva-15/1
Filibuster Hanover.. inneresting
McWicked outstanding, all credit to the connections, something obviously amiss with Lazarus, a disappointing likely end to his US campaign
Luke's report
https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/art...in-the-states/
Any news on Lazarus yet ? I hope they don't retire him after that run, he deserves better.
Michael Guerin
@GuerinSports
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Oct 29
No excuses, just disappointment for his horse from Jimmy Takter after Lazarus dropped out in Breeders Crown: “Poor guy, he must really have had a bug attacking him. He was beaten at the three-quarter pole.”
Plans for the great horse decided over next two weeks, stud most likely
Jimmy Takter is retiring at the end of the year so for Laz to race on next season in the US the connections would also need to decide on a new trainer. McWicked’s future also undecided, Cassie Coleman would like him to race on but owner apparently favours stud career.
What I find so insane is the fact that they haven't let him recover. He was sick when he got there and it's like they are just so money hungry they won't just let him have a full 2 weeks off to get 100%. He's been on antibiotics and yet they're racing him. You couldn't pay me for that trainer to have one of mine - that kind of behaviour destroys horses (though I have none to give anyway haha)
Reports that he had blood and mucus in his lungs after race. Really does seem strange that they even let him race.
Sadly it seems Danno was very much right when he wrote at the beginning of the thread that Laz had been reduced to a commercial asset. The plan for Lazarus was certainly ambitious with much that could and did go wrong, and the timing was not in his favour. It looks that downunder punters can be thankful that their interests are much better looked after by stewards here then they are by the “judges” in North America.
Lazarus’s connections must have been hoping for a miracle in the breeders crown, the SAA test used to determine Laz was ill before Yonkers is a very sensitive biomarker is for inflammation as the result of infection and is easily administered and accurate in real time. Continue to use this test and connections could not possibly have not known that Laz was still effected by illness when he lined up in the breeders crown.
Sadly it certainly seems the “commercial” and “its the business” attitude prevalent in NA was applied to Lazarus starting in the Breeders crown but without that miracle it’s hard to know what connections expected to achieve. Nothing Laz did in the US should make us look at him in a lesser light for it is apparent that he was let down badly by his connections. Although it was not a winning effort we should be in awe of the mile, with so many people downunder still claiming he is not a miler, Laz paced at the Red Mile and list it with his greatest achievements downunder.
It would seem that Jimmy Takter has little respect for his horses if he knew Lazarus was not well before the race. If owners tried to pressure him into starting an unfit horse he should have told them to find another trainer.
Lets hope there is no permanent damage to his lungs and he can race a few more times to show his true potential.
I'm no Purdon fan but I doubt he would have let him run until he was fully recovered.
Compliments of All Stars Harness Racing...
http://www.allstarsracingstables.com/special-occasions
“Nobody ever rang. I didn’t really expect it because that is the way they do it over there but then maybe I could have been of some help to Jimmy even though he is such a great trainer. Because the environment and racing is so different they prefer to form their own opinions and fair enough. ”
This is an excerpt from an article in NZ Herald in June 2018 about Lazarus......so I find it interesting that he has made the statement he did in the above article on their webpage??
But one text on Saturday morning, as he was preparing for his six-win domination at the Harness Jewels at Cambridge, brought a wry smile to Purdon's face.
It was from North American trainer Jimmy Takter, the new trainer of Purdon's champion pacer Lazarus.
Takter is a harness racing legend. His horses have won more than US$120 million. He wanted to chat to Purdon.
"Jimmy texted saying he had got my number off somebody and he wanted me to know that Laz has arrived safe and sound and looked great," said Purdon.
"And then he asked me if we could talk sometimes because he had some questions about Laz.
"I was stoked to get the text and am looking forward to talking to him because he is obviously one of the leading trainers in the world and I am really hoping Laz will do a great job up there so I am happy to help," said Purdon yesterday.
"To be honest, if Laz was going really well and was set for a decent race or two in September, I'd love to go up there and watch him race and even ask Jimmy if I could spend some time at his stables.
"I think that would be a really good experience."
Similar to the above in some Media Jimmy Takter is quoted as saying although Laz was on antibiotics they didn’t think there was anything still wrong with him, in others that the SAA test never really normalised. Hard to know what the real stories are.
But what is known now is Lazarus future is at stud and he will stand at Deo Volente farms in 2019
It would help his US stud career if he kept racing a bit longer and improved his time. They never got to see him at his best , it would be a sad way to end his racing life.