Have a look at the drives on the Jack boys in 2nd race at Shepparton Nathan on odds on fav and Daniel on longer priced one he trains went crazy in front and D Jacks horse finished a long way back race was one by another Jack horse
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Have a look at the drives on the Jack boys in 2nd race at Shepparton Nathan on odds on fav and Daniel on longer priced one he trains went crazy in front and D Jacks horse finished a long way back race was one by another Jack horse
The only redeeming feature was that the winner was driven by Leigh Sutton.
But honestly how do they think they can get away with that gabbage.Harness racing has enough problems without this.
I note that the stewards have adjoined an enquiry into the driving tactics of D. Jack and have asked for an explanation of the driving of N. Jack. More about this in the coming days ........ hopefully.
Was at that meeting, fair dinky the stewards room now is like walking into a classroom of kids just have a look at the reports now and there's one word they know backwards NOTED.
As you know or feel, that's team driving. Not supposed to happen but does on many occassions where stablemates are involved. Many not so obvious ones too. Just got to know who the buddy combinations are. Another aspect of betting that we don't need to strain our brain on but beneficial when you do know the match ups and how they operate.
Check out the stewards report at Echuca dec13 race four, Jack boys being asked again to explain their tactics.
Started reading it and seen the horse was Tough Denem. Being from Wagga I knew the horse races best when sent forward and I guessed what had happened before reading the next part of the paragraph. Without watching the replay it also seems he hooked on. Stewards accepted and agreed with Jacks explanation so I don't know why you went to the bother of posting it here.
Late latching on here but that race was a shocker. DW should get heaps - Nathan was clearly not handing up but he kept at him until bell. Wrestling with N's role - easy to think he was party to slaughter but with 3 DW runners in race, he could think that handing up could result in another coming around and he ends up 3 back. If you want to guarantee losing he hands up belatedly when softened and know you will be dragged back when DW's tires early (which he had to). Less obvious - well less likely to incurr suspension team tactic, if N was in on it, would have been to have him hand up down back and then send another one or two of the stable around.
Jeez I wish I was born in Wagga and was as smart as you but I was not, and as it is I only have the interest of the sport at hand. Now before you get on your high horse I respect the Jacks as drivers Nathen has enormous talent. But it does not look good to the public what happened particular after the race that this thread was started. Maybe the public should be informed that this horse that has won at Canberra and some other shit hole races this way as the stewards sure did not know.
I said I live in Wagga to give a background as to why I know the horse and its traits. Victorians that come to race at Wagga I do not as well and, states reversed, this is obviously the case with what has happened here - or maybe I am giving you too much credit and you just don't know any horses very well. Tongue in cheek that comment don't get mad!
The stewards accepted it when Jack said the horse races best that way, why couldn't you also accept that yet had to come and post it here....
The public is informed, its called a form guide. I don't blame the stewards for asking the question re driving tactics employed as I don't expect them to know everything about every horse plus there was probably a few il-informed people thinking this is a set up and the stewards report should have cleared up all was above board.
It would seem the stewards are leaving no stone unturned. Adjourned so they can get phone and betting records.
Could they still have suspended him on a driving charge and later lumped on anything else that comes to light?
I noticed Vic stewards did not muck around with D.Moran in R.7 at Melton on friday night. He set up a 41.9 lead time on Mister Grizzly (Smoken up ran 43.5 in his Vic Cup record). I notice he is a concession driver - it may have been his first metro drive for all I know. Just returning to the sport, I don't know of any stable links to explain his drive - probably just stupidity
http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-re...state=vic#void
I see yesterday Gangster boy was in and driven with more patience
Yes Gangster boy sat in death last bit seemed gone on turn but battled on.First up may have taken bit out of it.I did think that it would have won that race on best form.
Nathan Jack. Not corrupt. Just hopelessly incompetent.
i think you will find he was driving to instructions...
by that I mean, I imagine he was told to lead and to hold the lead
In the post race interview on track following his win on Will Trapper (who he said he drove to that trainers instructions even though he thought not right) he said that Left In Paris was drawn to lead. Said he was going to run the gate and try get the front and, if he got it, wasn't handing up to anyone.
So basically he doesn't bother to read a form guide or alter his driving tactics according to the ability of his or other horses in the race? That's fine at a meeting for R0 class horses out at Woop Woop but he simply shouldn't be allowed to drive at Metropolitan meetings.
As a generalisation and not aimed at this N Jack drive; I hate the driving to instructions excuse. Sometimes it painfully obvious those instructions aren't going to work, if not before the race but then during the race. Unfortanately the consequences of driving against instructions and then making a goose of yourself are just too high most drivers are just prepared to play it safe.
Scott
Did you back LIP or CA?
Scott, whats your opinion on this bit, "In the post race interview on track following his win on Will Trapper (who he said he drove to that trainers instructions even though he thought not right)" Will Trappers Trainer obviously got it right, he crapped all over Sundons Gift and is now Australias best trotter at the moment...imo!!! Great run trainers instructions 100% correct...
Gday Scott. Firstly, I don't know Nathan Jack personally. But he told everyone of his intentions pre-race and if he hands up to Courageous Annie this forum would have been flooded with complaints about him again. I reckon Courageous Annie goes round like she did and sits outside him instead of attacking for lead she wins easy. But thats just my opinion and we all entitled to them.
By the way, the drive of Scott Dyer on Tara Royale to win the race was a 10 out of 10. Perfectly judged as was N. Jacks drive on Will Trapper.
Hi Guys
Was really looking forward to the 2 Graham horses run at Melton Friday night (Lanercost and Courageous Annie) as they both have incredible records racing against their own age, and are terrific horses, but both have led in the vast majority of their career starts, and that wasn't going to be the case Fri night.
Was always going to be interesting to see what would happen if either or both had to come from back in the field. Not that they couldn't be successful with that style of racing, but they simply didn't have to racing against their own age group, as they were so far superior they couldd dominate and dictate the terms of most races .
With regards to Nathan Jack - If he simply hands up the lead to Courageous Annie on LIP they're running for 2nd place, if they burn to keep her out then they obviously compromise their own chances. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.
Either way both Graham horses are top class and will bounce back no doubt, but racing against open company they'll need to add another string to their bow. With their high speed as a fan of the sport I'd love to see them driven sit sprint style to see how they'd adapt.
Cheers.
Any results re the original race regarding the Jacks?
Still waiting how long does it take
this inquiry will resume next Monday as all information has been received and analysed.