Originally Posted by
dizzy
Greg as Phil has identified there is a pretty strong inflence from the Betty G family in Danerky with Cognac Hanover carry two strains and Shipps Fella being a direct tail female descendant (which you could argue hasn't helped you yet!) and he's given you a couple of options that double up on Tyler B and Tinted Cloud who is tail female to Betty G. Although he cant be described as a particularly successful as a sire you may want to look at Artesian for this mare. He is also an out cross on the sire line and he descends tail female from Betty G and carries Tyler B as sire of his second dam. Cognac Hanover second dam is the full sister to Artesian's fourth dam. Tyler B arguably did best with Race Time mares, Artesian has both Race Time and his full sister Touch of Spring. I like On The Road Again here too.
If you like really "tight" breeding you could look at Cammibest too.
Theres not much to work with in Karloo Nickys dam lines but being by Panorama you have a lot of options to double up on the Golden Miss family as there are quite a number of stallions who descend from GM. At the budget end there is JR Mint who has two strains of Golden Miss, through to Rocknroll Hanover! There are plenty in the middle with Real Desire, Tell All, Red River Hanover and Grinfromeartoear all descending from Golden Miss. GFETE of course has sons at stud now too.
There should be plenty of stats to sift through for Panorama as a broodmare sire too.
Disclaimer: these suggestions are from looking at paper only, you need to take into consideration the actual horses too!