gutwagon - my problem with the report is that it is taking the side orf yearlings going through the sale, i dont see alot of help being given to fillies being bred and raced by their breeders (there is some mention of creating more races for them, but this topic should have taken up 10 pages in the report)
simply do some research on how import substitution works and then say it is good for the breeding industry to shield it from competition
Gutwagon I think you miss the point. Yes it was about the Breeding Industry. BUT it proposed to fund a breeding initiative by slugging OWNERS.Quote:
Originally Posted by gutwagon
Lets look at a proposed OWNERS report. We are losing owners (parallels to the number of foals reducing) and a proposal is made to have the NOCS (National Owners Credit Scheme). To help keep owners in the game, it is proposed that each time their horse runs, they receive credits which are able to be used to purchase future horses.
The Owners panel go to the owners associations and ask them how do we fund this project, it will cost around $2.2 million a year.
Ok, like the breeders lets source from within our own (meaning see if we can raise funds from within ownership ranks). A annual registration is proposed on each and every racing animal (like it was to Breeders concerning broodmares).
Owners associations go up in arms, NO YOU CANT DO THAT!!!!! (Just like the Breeders said).
So the panel need to look at alternative methods of funding. Well, we can't raise the money from within ownership ranks, so lets go and slug another part of the industry.......whom can we target.....ummmm......yeah, breeders. Lets smack them.
So in the final report, the recommendation put forward was to slug breeders at the sales a $400 registration to be able to commercially sell your progeny. So you are targeting a certain percentage of breeders, the ones whom supposedly 'make a buck' from it.
Now you tell me, do you think that breeders would cop that - funding an owners scheme?
Didn't think so.
You can buy going horses in Australia. You can buy them from NZ. If there was a $5000 fee on the purchase of going horses in Oz, how do you think that would go down?
You want people to support Australian breeders right? Well produce the right kind of product, one that will be attractive enough for OWNERS to fork out the dollars for. It happens, it happens every day. You tell me why Australian breeders cannot compete?
I ask you Gut to ask me - will being forced out of purchasing horses from NZ to race make me more likely to purchase horses from Australia?
Don't worry about asking because I will answer: Categorically not.
And - to make the proposed Import Fee all the more preposterous it is a flat fee. So it hurts the bottom end of the market more than the top end.
It is like the govt introducing this carbon scheme that will impact on everybody, but providing no relief for anyone at all in the lower income tiers.
By all means raise funds for the NBCS because it has merit, but you have to slug EVERYBODY, not a select group - a group whom those that can least afford it will be the ones affected the most.
Smithy, the NBCS scheme is very much supportive of fillies bred and raced by their breeders. As is the initiative to promote more racing opportunities for mares.Quote:
Originally Posted by smithy
paid for by ownersQuote:
Originally Posted by eliteblood
can someone work out as i'm not that good with math show much to produce a yearling for sale right from conception to sale day and let's say you own your land where the mare and foal runs use the service fee of $3000 it is a nice round number and would it be about the average price of service fees? Itemised if possible it might explain cost's of breeding to some people who don't breed
The Big Mile are breeder's not owner's as well the percentage of breeder's who breed to race is very high can't remember the number so aren't they then classed as owner's
ill put some up for you greg, its the amounts for bills i have on hand atm for bring a mare across from nz and getting it in foal
Mare 25000
GST import 2500
Southern cross transport (truck from dock to property) 480
Shipping 3,000
Mare rego in nsw 150
Vet fees for breeding the mare (also includes extras) 739.5
breeders challenge 275
Vicbred 175
foal rego 275
freeze branding 60
vaccines 43.6
breeders crown 80
apg entry 385
apg sustaining on day of sale 140ish
Start's to add up would the mare have to be DNA'd on top of your foal rego ? Are the cost's in VIC and NSW the same or similar for rego etc ?
thats nsw, i think the dna is in the foal rego or the freezebranding
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