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    Jereme's Jet

    Would anyone know how many mare's Jereme's Jet served in 2010

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    For this season I believe he was restricted to 100 mares because of problems arising from his shipment back to Canada. My understanding is that the 100 mare quota was attained and access for additional mares was then restricted. We bred 3 mares to him and found the semen quality to be just fine, so I'm not sure whether the restricted use was necessary.

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    Hi newschool
    Thanks and i found out Jereme served 117 and he wasn't restricted due to his semen it was due to him getting a bit crook due to an infected tooth.

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    I would say he will get a lot more mares this coming season in Canada as a result of the Harisburg Sale. They sold for unreal money. The Canadians have got just so much money at the moment and they were thwe big buyers. I am still not sure if he will make it at stud as he is a Western Hanover but he certainly has been given a huge chance.

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    Not to be rude but it seems that you don't like the Western Hanover line, could you please explain and give me some insight as in Aus we don't see or hear everything about the stallions over there and also what stallion line do you like.

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    Western Hanover has been a dominant and prolific sire line in North America

    By my count, there have been at least 29 sons and 12 grandsons of Western Hanover that have been active breeding stallions. Two of his sons, Western Ideal and The Panderosa, have in total at least 12 sons that are also active stallions. In my opinion, Jeremes Jet is probably an upgrade on Western Ideal

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    Hi Newschool
    So you would rank Jereme's Jet an upgrade on Western Ideal, Western Ideal has done a great job at stud why would you consider Jereme an upgrade?

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    Jeremes Jet vs Western Ideal

    Quote Originally Posted by mango View Post
    Hi Newschool
    So you would rank Jereme's Jet an upgrade on Western Ideal, Western Ideal has done a great job at stud why would you consider Jereme an upgrade?

    Of course Western Ideal has proven himself and Jeremes Jet is still an unproven stallion. My projection that Jeremes Jet will likely evolve into a better stallion than Western Ideal is based on the following:

    1)They both have very strong dams born 10 years apart and raced almost the same number of times, but I give the nod to Ohyouprettything. I don't have the year-by-year data for Leah Almahurst, but I suspect Ohyouprettything had better 2-year old results and her 3-year old time was almost 2 seconds faster.
    2)My analysis indicates that Western Hanover's pedigree matches up better with Ohyouprettything than with Leah Almahurst in 3 ways:
    - a stronger Meadow Skipper presence,
    - a beneficial Good Time match, and
    - a double Volomite match further back in her pedigree
    3)Western Ideal had his best year at age 5 with earnings that year of $1,220,000 and a time of 1:48m; Jeremes Jet had his best year at age 2 with earnings that year of $1,176,542 and a time of 1:50.4s, then lowered his time to 1:48.1m at 3 and to 1:47m in a time trial at age 4. (Apparently, JJ's earnings at age 3 would have been higher had he not been sick most of that year.)

    If appearance counts for anything, the Jeremes Jet colts and fillies certainly look the part. It won't be long until we find out whether the first crop can live up to the lofty expectations.
    Last edited by newschool; 11-21-2010 at 07:29 PM. Reason: Omitted my 3rd point in the original posting

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    Quote Originally Posted by newschool View Post
    (Apparently, JJ's earnings at age 3 would have been higher had he not been sick most of that year.)
    People will say anything for an excuse, especially for a stallion. And if it was the case, why would you breed to a stallion with a weak immune system?

    While outstanding at 2, that isn't questionable, the fact of the matter is his race record shows he wasn't the same horse at 3 and 4. IMHO, it is very risky to breed to a horse that was his best at 2. Say he throws 2yos - if they have a paddock accident, whatever, something happens, you have missed the boat and will not be one of the top colts the next season. Its bad enough with sires knowing for ONLY siring 2 and 3yos. But to only sire 2yos? (which may be the case here) Not for me... I will take a wait and see approach

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    Quote Originally Posted by newschool View Post
    By my count, there have been at least 29 sons and 12 grandsons of Western Hanover that have been active breeding stallions. Two of his sons, Western Ideal and The Panderosa, have in total at least 12 sons that are also active stallions. In my opinion, Jeremes Jet is probably an upgrade on Western Ideal
    That Opinion of years isnt a good one for 4yrs min

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