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    So i take it each of the clubs Penrith, Bankstown and fairfield own the land which the tracks are situated on and if they do that would be some serious coin. The cost of land and setting up at Eatern Creek wouldn't be cheap.

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    blow up all the tracks in sydney and make them race at menangle

    why do we need to look after the weak, high gatespeed horses (same goes for not having a sprintlane)? would advance our breed 100x racing at menangle, no place to hide in that long straight

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    I think you have to accomodate all classes of horses, at the present time the better class of horses are racing at Menangle and the less class of horses are placed where there best suited so i don't see how it would advance our breed anymore all you would have is a B class horse up against an A+ horse and we know the result.

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    mango, the way i see it, would a mares progeny be more valuable if its mother won 5 races at harold park leading or had won 5 at menangle leading and every horse having a decent shot at beating it?

    maybe not everyone looks into the mares performance as i do... a bit of an olds wives tale but that is why i believe the kiwis have usually dominated the classic races, there horses are exposed to tough racing either through big fields, long races or racing older horses..or a combination of them... maybe thats not 100% the breeding but it has to have some positive result

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    Hi Smithy

    I see where your comming from but not everyone breeds to sell, so whether they win 10 at Menengle or 10 at Redcliffe it doesn't matter to a majority of people. I don't know the percentage but as a guess i'd say 60% of people breed to race as i said i don't know the percentage and correct me if i'm wrong.

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    I was just thinking a bit more about your post and yes people will think a mare's progeny is more valuable winning 5 at Menangle in say 1:55 but i see know difference between that and a mare winning 5 at Bathurst in 2min's. Yes it does all depend where the horse was in running but then you have to consider track size and so on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mango View Post
    Hi Smithy

    I see where your comming from but not everyone breeds to sell, so whether they win 10 at Menengle or 10 at Redcliffe it doesn't matter to a majority of people. I don't know the percentage but as a guess i'd say 60% of people breed to race as i said i don't know the percentage and correct me if i'm wrong.
    Actually Mango, from the statistics we gathered recently as part of the Breeders Panel, it was found that 90%(yes NINETY%) of people who breed, breed to race the resultant foal!

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    Hi Mightymo

    Wow that is a lot more than i thought i was actually going to put down 75% but i didn't want to put my foot in my mouth and either way i was way off. So in saying that i guess those who breed to race would be happy to win 5 race's whether it be at Menangle or Bathurst and to those people it doesn't effect them what time there mare's go as they breed to race.

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    Thanks Mo for that statistic. I did not realise either that the percentage would be generally so high. However , I will say that amongst my close breeding acquaintances , that your "breed to race" percentage is pretty accurate.

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    Has there been any move to upgrade the country track in NSW maybe standardize them to 1000m where possible even through in another 1400m I know where smithy is coming from those numbers look good in the sales catalogues. I don't think you can just race at Menangle the reality is once the prize money goes' up most of the horses racing there now will be forced out to the country tracks to make a living and IMO a few of the horses and driver have been caught out try to race Menangle trip on the smaller tracks

    Defiantly with you there Mango I would have guessed around 75% its a wonder how so many good horses come out of the sales

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