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    During the 2yo season results can be dominated by horses that come to hand more quickly then others and results during the 3yo season as the crop matures should hold more sway. The business model in the U.S. doesn't favour older horses going to stud and most potential stud colts have pretty much left it all on the track as 3yos in pursuit of success in stakes races to ensure a place in the breeding barn. Those that return at 4 are pretty much racing free for all class and doing so after a tough 3 yo year and often struggle with the transition to open class.

    If the business model was different and the horses managed for a lengthy career on the track then it's likely a number of them would have good results. One swallow doesn't make a summer, but Mr Feelgood was a stakes level ( won the jug) colt at 3, went to stud but had fertility problems and returned to racing. His downunder record as an older horse was pretty good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dot View Post
    It's in the conditions apply Richard. He doesn't but if the mare is inseminated and foals down in NSW the foal will be NSW Breeders Challenge eligible
    Thanks Dot. So this means that Huntsville has NO influence on making any mare NSW BREEDERS CHALLENGE ELIGIBLE as he is a VIC based stallion. He can however make any mares progeny VICBRED which is a bonus. Peter could correct that press release as it can get confusing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphastud View Post
    Thanks Dot. So this means that Huntsville has NO influence on making any mare NSW BREEDERS CHALLENGE ELIGIBLE as he is a VIC based stallion. He can however make any mares progeny VICBRED which is a bonus. Peter could correct that press release as it can get confusing.
    Yes he could correct it to add WESTBRED and QBRED as well! There are conditions for Huntsvilles Vicbred eligibility as well. Your conceived and foaled in NSW Breeders Challenge eligble foal would only be Vicbred eligible if you return the coupon on the service certificate and appropriate fee to HRV when you notify the foal to HRNSW. However as the two premier breeders scheme series in VIC and NSW run almost in parallel it is virtually impossible now to compete in the entire series for both.

    Each state has one or more series based on a number of eligibility criteria related to their breeders schemes. It is well worth breeders doing their homework not just on their preferred stallion but also their prefered eligibility for the various breeders schemes. If they are having trouble figuring it out they would be well advised to seek further advice from their governing body before confirming their bookings.

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    I know breeders are looking for the Somebeachsomewhere in Huntsville's pedigree but it is interesting to note that his dam Wild West Show is a sister to Tiz a Masterpiece (and Big Bad John)

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphastud View Post
    Huntsville looks like a very exciting stallion. .. only ever missed a placing once from 25 starts.

    Does anyone know how he makes progeny NSW Breeders Challenge eligible or is this a typo?

    What mares do you think might work with him?
    Born and registered in NSW as i understand it Richard
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    Southwind Frank joining the frozen semen trotting sires available

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Hando View Post
    Born and registered in NSW as i understand it Richard
    Ok. Thanks Greg, however any mares progeny that is born and registered in NSW is NSW Breeders Challenge eligible by default.

    Huntsville is NOT making any progeny NSW Breeders Challenge eligible. He's NOT having any influence over NSW Breeders Challenge eligibility. It's purely the mare and foals birthplace.

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    No he isn't Richard but the press release isn't wrong, his progeny will be eligible for those schemes if the "conditions apply" criteria are met. It's no different for other stallions standing outside NSW and similar is frequently written in their press releases too.

    Breeders challenge is a mare based scheme that replaced the sires stakes some years ago. HRNSW has in part reintroduced the sires stakes in a fashion with the breeders challenge blue series and if you/they want more support for sires standing in NSW then this is the series that needs further support and funding.

    Remove the colonial stallion rebate which to me appears to support the colonial stallion owners seting higher fees, encourage them to lower their service fee accordingly, and put the $500 rebate for each foal by a colonial sire into prizemoney for the breeders challenge blue series would be my suggestion.

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    The press release can be misleading Dot.

    If it’s not a mistake, then this style of marketing can be misleading whether it be commonplace or not.

    No condition can apply for a stallion to make progeny NSW bred unless they are a NSW stallion.

    NSW stallions such as TINTIN IN AMERICA, SMILING SHARD, LIVE OR DIE etc. make any progeny NSW bred. No conditions need to apply for this to happen. There is a real difference. NSW stallions can influence whether a foal is NSW bred or not. Huntsville and other interstate stallions can’t.

    And so that stating that “his progeny will be …. NSW Breeders Challenge , … eligible – conditions apply” can be misleading.

    He cannot make Vic based, Qld based etc. progeny NSW bred whereas the NSW Stallions can.

    I find the various schemes and rules confusing and think that it’s important to be clearer where we can be.

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