stallions

[Greg Hando]

2yo winners this year so far
ART MAJOR USA 53
BETTORS DELIGHT 17
MACH THREE CA 17
MODERN ART USA 17
REAL DESIRE USA 16
ELSU NZ 15
ARMBRO OPERATIVE 13
GRINFROMEARTOEAR 13
LIFE SIGN USA 13
ARTISCAPE USA 11
FALCON SEELSTER USA 10
VILLAGE JASPER USA 10
WESTERN TERROR USA 10
BLISSFULL HALL USA 9
NORTHERN LUCK CA 9
PRESIDENTIAL BALL USA 9
LIVE OR DIE USA 8
MCARDLE USA 8
JET LAAG USA 7
METROPOLITAN USA 7

[justdoit]

Art Major, not one person could doubt his dominance.
Mach Three, If he had been managed better at the start of his stud career in Australia & NZ he would have had many more winners and be seen in a better light by many more people.

[thesushitrain]

im a massive m3 fan... the top stallions go in cycles

auckland reactor was touted as a bigger superstar then sushi sushi is atm... millwood meg was the best filly last season
now carabella and bettor cover lover, bellas delight, aussie made lombo all stars

[triplev123]

Art Major, not one person could doubt his dominance.
Mach Three, If he had been managed better at the start of his stud career in Australia & NZ he would have had many more winners and be seen in a better light by many more people.

[VVV] This is what looking at numbers of winners in isolation & so without taking into account the number of foals each of them have...gets you. Here in Australia that is IMO a HUGE, HUGE FAULT in the way our Sires Stats are represented.
For example, in Australia, Art Major actually has nearly 3 times as many current 2yos (223) as does Bettor's Delight (80) & nearly 5 times as many as Mach Three (48)... so barring an absolute blow-out season it's not particularly hard to dominate the field under those circumstances.

Copied and pasted from Greg's post... and with the foal numbers added beside each sire in brackets, it puts things into a far better pespective. It makes it very clear that in amongst the sires on that list are some sterling efforts and there are some shocking efforts.

2yo winners this year so far
ART MAJOR USA 53 (223 foals)
BETTORS DELIGHT 17 (80 foals)
MACH THREE CA 17 (48 foals)
MODERN ART USA 17 (116 foals)
REAL DESIRE USA 16 (83 foals)
ELSU NZ 15 (109 foals)
ARMBRO OPERATIVE 13 (147 foals)
GRINFROMEARTOEAR 13 (147 foals)
LIFE SIGN USA 13 (218 foals)
ARTISCAPE USA 11 (77 foals)
FALCON SEELSTER USA 10 (42 foals)
VILLAGE JASPER USA 10 (115 foals)
WESTERN TERROR USA 10 (62 foals)
BLISSFULL HALL USA 9 (167 foals)
NORTHERN LUCK CA 9 (98 foals)
PRESIDENTIAL BALL USA 9 (44 foals)
LIVE OR DIE USA 8 (50 foals)
MCARDLE USA 8 (34 foals)
JET LAAG USA 7 (73 foals)
METROPOLITAN USA 7 (59 foals)

[thesushitrain]

Art Major, not one person could doubt his dominance.
Mach Three, If he had been managed better at the start of his stud career in Australia & NZ he would have had many more winners and be seen in a better light by many more people.

i doubt his dominance, simply a case of numbers on the ground

[aussiebreno]

Life Sign....makes for poor reading. 13/218

[triplev123]

Life Sign....makes for poor reading. 13/218

I think his biggest problem is/was that he seemed to have a narrow range as far as the type of mares that he would really hit it off with.
At the other end of the scale, the most successful sires on there would get winners from virtually any old bat that you'd care to send their way, pretty much just so long as they had a pulse they were a chance. I know I periodically blow his trumpet but as far as Bettor's Delight is concerned, no greater indication of his extreme siring versatility could there possibly be than for him to have topped the US, AUS & NZ 3yo Sires Earnings & Individual Winners Lists in the same year (2011). He's working right up at the top level across 3 vastly different broodmare bands. I think that's incredible, certainly uprecedented.

[Greg Hando]

Thank's Triple for the foal's number's it almost complete's the riddle of who is best now to work out percentage's at the end of the season

[justdoit]

I agree with you both TripleV123 & Thesushitrain, it is about time to limit the stallion books, it will make for a more even playing field:\

[triplev123]

Thank's Triple for the foal's number's it almost complete's the riddle of who is best now to work out percentage's at the end of the season

[VVV] Nah, you don't get off that easy Greg.
The problem now is how to factor in their respective progeny earnings. Some sires smash the winners to foals %'s but each one of their winners knocks over 1 or 2 bread and butter races & overall his earnings at the end of the season prove to be bugger all.
Others aren't quite so good at winners to foals but when you get a good one they win everything. If you work out how to do it...can you please let me know?
The closest to perfection I've seen are Pecky's Sire Ratings in HRI.