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    Wet weather has seen me enjoying Trots Vision and reading John Bradley's Modern Pacing Sire Lines (1999) between races. I thought I might share a few interesting facts in this thread while recommending JB's book which I think is still available

    The great Pacing Machine and sire Cam Fella (1979) had to be gelded in 1997 to save his life and yet in that year at the age of 18 while on a North American tour and doing a lap at the Little Brown Jug he was feeling so good that he did the half-mile in 57
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    A lot of his son's also had to be cut later in life for the same reason testicular cancer.
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    Greg, would there be any connection to the fact that he was a rig?
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    Greg, would there be any connection to the fact that he was a rig?
    Don't know Kevin but perhaps it has
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Hando View Post
    Don't know Kevin but perhaps it has
    If they were rigs too then yes. The testicle/s retained in the abdomen experience higher temperatures then in the correct location of the scrotum and are at higher risk of becoming cancerous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dot View Post
    If they were rigs too then yes. The testicle/s retained in the abdomen experience higher temperatures then in the correct location of the scrotum and are at higher risk of becoming cancerous.
    The few i know of weren't Rig's but were cut later in life after successful breedings.
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    Bret Hanover (1962) raced 68 times between the ages of 2-4 for 62 wins, 5 seconds and 1 third and so was never unplaced

    He won his first 35 races

    His only 3rd was at his last start in which he raced further than a mile for the very first time (1 and 1/8). He was all fired up that night and he went through the mile in 1.54.3
    If that had been the end of the race Bret would have paced the fastest race mile in the history of the sport; no Standardbred had ever raced a sub 1.55 mile

    Bradley, John: Modern Pacing Sire Lines (1999)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Messenger View Post
    Bret Hanover (1962) raced 68 times between the ages of 2-4 for 62 wins, 5 seconds and 1 third and so was never unplaced

    He won his first 35 races

    His only 3rd was at his last start in which he raced further than a mile for the very first time (1 and 1/8). He was all fired up that night and he went through the mile in 1.54.3
    If that had been the end of the race Bret would have paced the fastest race mile in the history of the sport; no Standardbred had ever raced a sub 1.55 mile

    Bradley, John: Modern Pacing Sire Lines (1999)
    Having a very quiet long weekend so I decided to investigate Bret Hanover's dam line

    There has been nothing outstanding tracing to Bret's dam Brenna Hanover apart from him
    So I decided to go back to his 2nd dam Beryl Hanover

    The champs I found that trace to her (and thus have a connection to Bret):

    Anndrovette (2007) by Riverboat King (his only star performer) 4 times American and Canadian mare of the Year and winner of $3.5m. Her 5th dam is a full sister to Bret Hanover

    Dragon Again (1995) by Dragons Lair (his only star son) $2.3m who would prove to be a top sire. Dragon's 4th dam is the same full sister to Bret Hanover as was Anndrovette

    McWicked (2011) by McArdle $3.9m whom we all know as Lazarus's recent nemesis. McWicked's 7th dam is another full sister to Bret Hanover


    We are talking about the Family U1 so you would expect a few stars and although they are distant connections I like to think they have some common DNA with Bret Hanover

    ps I should add that all my research comes from the wonderful http://classicfamilies.net/horsedetails.aspx
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