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    Senior Member Horse Of The Year arlington will become famous soon enough
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    I was surprised info wasn't made available before the sessions started in Vic. Even though, it seemed, many who attended the session I went to were well informed, a link to a download could have been provided with the notification of the sessions.
    I believe there will be another round of sessions, I think, after the roadshow goes to Tas and SA. Would imagine, hope, any further papers will be released before the next round.
    Had heard not many are happy with WA's system but the WA administrators feel the HRA one is flawed as well. Interestingly, perhaps merely coincidental, the HRA chap heading up the new model is from WA.

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    https://m.soundcloud.com/hrv-2/hrvs-...mation-podcast

    The “real” podcast. Informative but still questions to be asked, and I suggest anyone who has queries raises them with Stephen Bell or Cam Brown, the only way to get the best outcome is to delve into the nooks and crannys of the system, find the bugs and iron them out. One point that I’ll be raising and certainly concerned me was from Stephen Bell where he said a 2yo on getting its first win will go into the band system. Also very limited information on programming as the states handle that but twice 5 point ratings bands for race were mentioned, ratings point band width for programming along with field size will impact on how the matrix operates.

    There are flaws in the WA system, as there will be in any system Wayne, and there are people who are unhappy, much of which has to do with the implementation process as much as anything else. There are concerns about the lack of consultation from RWWA which is true, and how complicated the system is. It’s doesn’t just handicap horses but impacts on where they can be placed to race, and certainly has thrown up some interesting fields based on horses previous assesments and form, particularly standing starts.

    As far as WA thinks the HRA model is flawed, West Australians as a whole think they are seperate to the rest of the country and tend to want to do things their way and different to the rest.

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    Media release from SA.

    https://www.harness.org.au/media-roo...?news_id=39689

    SA not waiting on HRA Ratings System, immediate change to field selection based on prizemoney last 5 starts. Things are really crook for both codes in SA, particularly trots.

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    https://www.harness.org.au/media-roo...?news_id=40155

    Implementation details for the HRA ratings scheme.

    Am I reading this right, HRV have set a date to implement the new handicapping system but have not yet consulted with participants on how they intend to program races or distribute prizemoney under the new handicapping scheme? Mind boggling if thats the case.

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    Not saying our system will be the same as NZ but without information on programming how do we know. Whilst it’s important to reduce the number of short priced favourites to improve wagering returns it’s important to remember that not every race can be programmed with that as its primary aim. It’s important and part of the cost of running the business to allow young inexperienced horse to race other young inexperienced horses to develop the grounding to fill make up the fields for those races that are more profitable for turnover.

    https://www.odt.co.nz/sport/racing/t...capping-system

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    Having my first look at the new ratings being displayed
    Looking at Menangle today, I can see it could still take a long time for a horse who is now a shadow of his former self to be rated to succeed

    Desdon Murruffy has a record 132-19-14-8 = $168,904
    He has not been placed in any of his 28 starts in the last 2 seasons
    His NR is 90

    Fat Prophet has a record 127-23-7-17 = $148,443
    He has won 9 times in the last 2 seasons (73 starts mind you)
    His NR is 90

    I do not know the NSW form, maybe Brenno can tell me if these ratings are fair enough
    They both race in C5+ races today under the old system

    ps It may be that Des is simply a victim of the system being used to initially transition horses from the old to the new system. Being an M2 he cops 95 with the maximum reduction for his last five being -5
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    R9 at Menangle tonight - if this was under the new system we would have a ratings range of 50 - 103

    http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fie...19#PCM11051908
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    Or what about the Gp3 Angelique Cup at Melton tonight
    We would have from 75 - 120 if the new ratings system was in place
    Both Stewart runners
    and the the 75 Frankincense has to start from 7 compared to Berisari 120 coming from 4 because it is PBD/$L4

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    Maybe, just maybe, the perceived problems aren't anything to do with the structure of a class system but more to do with a small horse population.

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    The small horse population makes any system pretty hard.
    You will still have a wide range of ratings within a classic type field - The RBHS would account for the core of most race programs but a lot of races would also be programmed outside the RBHS; classics, futurities, free-for-alls, etc.
    Using the mares triple crown as an example, will all three races simply be PBD rating?
    Seeded draws?
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