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    Rick I’d certainly prefer not to see a dominating stable either but you don’t think the all the horses from the one stable, in the one heat solution you propose isn’t readily circumvented? Large stables operate with a number of staff, some family, some employees, just have a number of them obtain a trainers licence and switch the horses into ostensibly someone else name. The way the Menangle training centre operates, and I believe similar is proposed for Melton, means trainers do not have to have seperate unique training/stabling facilities and the same would apply to training on a private property.

    Could use the ”Aquanita” style of management, no not the pre race drenches and top ups, the trainers train the horses and all administration, bills out, bills paid, supplies ordered wages etc, is done for them by an Office Adminstrator. Horses have seperate trainers now so won’t be in the same heat, there is now some confusion for industry officials and some punters at least as to who is the bone fide trainer, and the “large stable” can still dominate the races, but are now less likely to win a premiership of course as the wins are shared around a number of “trainers”.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gutwagon View Post
    Dot, I think putting all same stable runners in one heat would mostly solve the problem. Their best 5 or so horses would still make the final and they would probably win the final still. They would just get much less prize money on the way to the final, leaving a lot more for other stables and providing more competitive racing and more turnover generated.

    If owners don't want their horse in the heat with all their stablemates they could choose a smaller stable from the beginning, again that would help the industry.

    Having one huge stable dominate any code of racing just kills the interest of the public and other competitors. It drives people away from the sport.
    Nah. Don't like it. What if your nice honest 3C1 draws a heat against Centenario, Hurricane Harley, Hardhitter, Demon Delight etc while another 3C1 of similar ability gets a gift run through because draws weak heat.

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    And not to mention if that trainer, who ordinarily is considered to be a small trainer, just happens to have, for the first time in their career, two nice 3C1s and they both have to be in against those aforementioned horses because the policy is all a trainers horses have to be in the same heat!

    ( think we just had something like that happen under the no trainer splits conditions )
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    I had an email suggesting it isn't tall poppy syndrome that makes people sceptical of the Stewart/Tonkin success but rather the memory of Tonkin's suspension over blue magic.
    I don't think many remember this, especially punters that are primarily gallops followers, I still think it is the mathematical implausibility of their success rate or tall poppy
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    The series seemed to work a lot better when there were a lot more heats spread over several months, each country club would have some heats. If a horse had some bad luck in one heat it had a chance to run in another. Why was it changed ?

    Kevin, you know the old saying "If it's too good to be true ...."
    Don't die wondering !

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    Just looking at the fields for the semi finals and Tonkin/Stewarts would be very happy as they got fairly even splits in everything except the 4yo mares semis. Well with at least 2 of their runners in the races it will make for better betting.
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    Confidence booster: Get ALL horses to the track 4 hours before their race.

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    Oh I think that could be way more interesting if the requirement was to get half a stables representatives to the track 4 hours before the first race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galli View Post
    Confidence booster: Get ALL horses to the track 4 hours before their race.
    The retention barn works well in NSW and horses are accommodated in the barn . Some horses are already there well before their races so stewards could test earlier if required. However, we must consider horse welfare, it is unfair to expect them to stand at the races hours before their race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gutwagon View Post
    Just looking at the fields for the semi finals and Tonkin/Stewarts would be very happy as they got fairly even splits in everything except the 4yo mares semis. Well with at least 2 of their runners in the races it will make for better betting.
    And the R11 the 1st semi for the 3yoF is much stronger than R12 the 2nd semi which will see Kualoa and some lesser fillies make the final

    http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fie...s/?mc=MX290619
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