Pepper Tree Sale Results

[Toohard]

Re the Somebeach....

The horse was 4 sale or not? Already talk about a Somebeach fetching 110K plus at a sale. And we bag the NSW Stewards....

[eliteblood]

Unfortunately it was a very cold day at Pepper Tree which spoilt the day a bit. Despite that the Vandykes did an excellent job of presenting their stud and the stallions to quite a reasonable crowd.
While all eyes were on RNR Heaven, it was Sportswriter that everyone was talking about after the parade. He is a very attractive Artsplace stallion.
RNR Heaven also presented very well and the much debated subject of how big he is was put to rest. He is 15.1 hands.
Sale of broodmares followed the stallion parade. I don’t have any prices but there was basically nobody wanting to buy broodmares – many were passed in.
I thought the yearlings sold OK but not as strongly as most vendors would have liked. Again I don’t have many prices but the SBSW colt from Kept For Pleasure was the highest priced yearling at $110k. A RNR Hanover filly from Postmark sold for $40k and the Mach Three filly from Indigenous was passed in at $33k.
My Jereme’s Jet – Socialize colt was a really nice individual but only made a disappointing $20k in the ring which I didn’t accept. Within 1 minute I had him sold for $30k and had another 3 enquiries within the next 10 minutes. That was at the bottom end of what I thought he might make. At least that will pay for a few service fees. I now have 3 FSS colts left to sell in Melbourne in Feb.

[rum4all]

took one look out the window at the weather and decided not to attend, does anyone have what price lot 42 the badlands colt made?

[mango]

Passed in at $12k

[rum4all]

thanks mango

[mango]

If people thought the Peppertree sale didn't bring good results it's worth a look at the results of the clearance sale at Spreydon Lodge last thursday there were bargains to be had there. Just off the topic the fastest at todays Ready To Run was 56.1 and there are still a couple to trial Wednesday.

[thesushitrain]

[VVV] He's working for the Seller my friend, not the Buyer.

its pushing ridiculous to expect 20 bids to reach the reserve... the auctioneer definitely cottoned on about half way through, one lot he said take it back out we are no where near it

[justdoit]

Thanks Eliteblood for the update on the sale.

RNR Heaven will have a big job ahead of him with the he competition he has , his size will only worry some NSWelshmen that think bigger is better. CUFire,VJasper
All other advertised standardbred stallions are 15.2, that makes him not as small as CUFire,VJasper

[eliteblood]

Thanks Eliteblood for the update on the sale.

RNR Heaven will have a big job ahead of him with the he competition he has , his size will only worry some NSWelshmen that think bigger is better. CUFire,VJasper
All other advertised standardbred stallions are 15.2, that makes him not as small as CUFire,VJasper

He is definitely bigger than CUF and VJ. I don't understand the reference to NSWelshmen - do they think differently to breeders in other states with regard to stallion size ?
I don't think RNR Heaven has to be afraid of the competition as much as they need to be afraid of him. I'm sure he will get a large book of mares and will get an excellent shot at making it as a sire.

[triplev123]

WARNING- RANT COME WAFFLE FOLLOWING...

On the size thing Troops...taken in isolation IMO it's all such a subjective wank and I say this because I reckon there are so many variables beyond just that which a simple height measurement indicates.

Even then I'm also rather dubious about some of the stated sizes. You've only got to go through many of the sire guides and see how many of them are said to be 15.2/15.3. How many of you ever get in the yard and measure them? Does it matter anyway? I've looked at a heap of stallions over the years and I've never once done it. I just use the old peepers. Not a lot of science & certainty involved there admittedly.

For example, there's 16h & plain old hulking & there's 16h & powerful/athletic...and similarly at the other end of the scale there's 14.3h hands & solid/muscular & there's 14.3h & built like the bastard child of a greyhound that had stuck one into a pipecleaner...and of course in between there are all forms of variation on a theme.

Also, it seems that this discussion is virtually always based on the size of this stallion or that one but it seems nobody ever really talks of the size of their mares in relation to the stallion/s being discussed, this despite the mares playing at the very least an equally important role in the outcome.

Personally I don't like small mares & especially if they're small & also finely built &/or short coupled and unfortunately I've learnt the hard way there.
On the other hand I don't mind smaller stallions but only if they're also powerfully built/solid with it and if they also had a very good length of stride. Similarly I don't mind big horses as long as they're not really heavy built/boned along with it & again just as long as they had a good length of stride relative to their size.
Mares wise, I like the long barrelled mares, ones that look like they've got an extra set of ribs to most horses and I like to see a mare with the hindquarters of Florence Griffith-Joyner and the walk of one of the ladies that ply their trade nightly towards the Kings X tunnel end of William St. here in Sydney.

It's also the Gospel truth that there are a number of sires at stud in both AUS & NZ who's widely advertised size would bare little or no resemblance to reality should someone view them with the naked eye and those that stand them know this too btw. There are horses advertised to be 15.1 that are closer to 14.2/14.3 and there are horses advertised to be 16h that are significantly bigger than that, a couple that I know of are easy closing in on 16.3.

Don't believe the hype. Go look at them yourself if you can or if not then take the advice of someone you can rely on to see them in much the same way as you do.