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    Captaintreacherous and Betting Line are 2 new big name sires on the scene
    Now if you have a Betting Line colt why would you call him Captain Barnato (to confuse the punters)
    I realize Captain Barnato is a historical figure but save the name for when you breed a Captaintreacherous
    (Sorry, just being my overopinionated self but I have always had a strong interest in good naming)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Messenger View Post
    and again tonight at Bendigo $1.40 failure

    http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fie...21#BNC09062103
    Hargreaves is doing better with another Bain horse, On My Oath, who has won 2 from 2 since coming from WA (only $4,500 races mind you) at $1.30 and $1.04. He had not won for well over 2 years before coming across

    http://www.harness.org.au/racing/hor...horseId=784887
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    The WA loophole is closing on July 1 Wrong It closed on June 17

    The minimum NR for a horse that has only ever raced in Western Australia is NR50 or NR35 for a 2YO.

    http://www.harness.org.au/media-room...?news_id=48539

    Eg Im Loki - he is going around again from barrier 1 (courtesy of the loophole) in the last at Ballarat but it does not appear as though he will be odds on tonight

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    $1.70 FO $1.40 Tote and beaten again by the one that was equal favourite with him earlier
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    Quote Originally Posted by Messenger View Post
    Hargreaves is doing better with another Bain horse, On My Oath, who has won 2 from 2 since coming from WA (only $4,500 races mind you) at $1.30 and $1.04. He had not won for well over 2 years before coming across

    http://www.harness.org.au/racing/hor...horseId=784887
    And makes it 3 from 3 in the first at Charlton today, in an up to NR51 class. https://www.harness.org.au/racing/ho...horseId=784887 It makes you wonder why it couldn't win in its previous 45 starts in WA yet improved out of sight when it debuted in Victoria just two months later. Then again, I am not the one to ask these questions!

    The remarkable success of the Kate Hargreaves stable reminds me of the great line from the movie When Harry Met Sally - "I'll have what she's having"!

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    But Trev you have to remember that we are talking about mature horses that have been assessed NR 30 under the 'WA loophole' (which will be closing in 10 days) and get barrier 1 under PBD despite being horses that have won a few over their career

    Wrong - loophole closed June 17
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    Quote Originally Posted by Messenger View Post
    But Trev you have to remember that we are talking about mature horses that have been assessed NR 30 under the 'WA loophole' (which will be closing in 10 days) and get barrier 1 under PBD despite being horses that have won a few over their career
    True. But look at what they have been racing against in WA! Good luck and well done by all connections for being smart enough to exploit the conditions. However, the drastic form improvement in just a few weeks, for all of these horses, puzzles my inquisitive mind. From Shanks Pony to Village Kid in a few weeks. I will be eternally grateful that I do not have to pay the bills of any also-rans that finish behind them.

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    Elleker Hanover finally won last night and paid $1.04 tote $1.20 fixed
    Even though she is thrown in with her WA rating, you have to be a brave punter
    or a mug to back her
    Even if you got $1.30 if you had put $1,000 on her at each of her 3 starts you would be down $1,700
    Even if she had won all three you were looking at risking a $1,000 each time only to win $1,000 in total due to the incredibly short odds she has started each race

    http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fie...21#BNC22062105
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    Quote Originally Posted by Messenger View Post
    Elleker Hanover finally won last night and paid $1.04 tote $1.20 fixed
    Even though she is thrown in with her WA rating, you have to be a brave punter
    or a mug to back her
    Even if you got $1.30 if you had put $1,000 on her at each of her 3 starts you would be down $1,700
    Even if she had won all three you were looking at risking a $1,000 each time only to win $1,000 in total due to the incredibly short odds she has started each race

    http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fie...21#BNC22062105
    Elleker couldn't run out of sight on a dark night over here. It smacked my gob that she was repeatedly favourite

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    Quote Originally Posted by Showgrounds View Post
    And makes it 3 from 3 in the first at Charlton today, in an up to NR51 class. https://www.harness.org.au/racing/ho...horseId=784887 It makes you wonder why it couldn't win in its previous 45 starts in WA yet improved out of sight when it debuted in Victoria just two months later. Then again, I am not the one to ask these questions!

    The remarkable success of the Kate Hargreaves stable reminds me of the great line from the movie When Harry Met Sally - "I'll have what she's having"!
    And On My Oath makes it 4 in a row today

    http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fie...21#MHC28062104

    Authorities should be embarrassed that they left such a gaping loophole in the Ratings system which has cost a lot of 2nd place-getters serious money
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