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    A poster has pointed out to me that the Stand/Trot was the closest finish of the night

    And what about calling some fans "older zealots"
    zealot meaning: a person who is fanatical and uncompromising in pursuit of their religious, political, or other ideals

    This from one of our main media men!!!
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    Must try to dig up footage, if it exists, of Popular Alm's second Kilmore Cup win off 35 metres. I have just rediscovered a long misplaced CUB framed advertising print of the great horse in that race. It might compel those too young / ignorant to know how good it is to watch great horses a handicap over big distances in big races. You won't see King of Swing starting at $1.22 from a handicap, that's for sure. You might even get increased betting turnover!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Messenger View Post
    A poster has pointed out to me that the Stand/Trot was the closest finish of the night

    And what about calling some fans "older zealots"
    zealot meaning: a person who is fanatical and uncompromising in pursuit of their religious, political, or other ideals

    This from one of our main media men!!!
    Which I think goes back to the point had 3rd and 4th horse not been handicapped as much then leader and behind leader may not have won/run2nd?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Showgrounds View Post
    Must try to dig up footage, if it exists, of Popular Alm's second Kilmore Cup win off 35 metres. I have just rediscovered a long misplaced CUB framed advertising print of the great horse in that race. It might compel those too young / ignorant to know how good it is to watch great horses a handicap over big distances in big races. You won't see King of Swing starting at $1.22 from a handicap, that's for sure. You might even get increased betting turnover!
    Most kids watched Cartoons I watched a Popular Alm video on repeat!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNlLhMcTNpY Head to 52mins in for the Kilmore Cup victory.

    With advances evening out the breed with fewer outliers like Poppy, and hopefully we are on a more level playing field in regards to chemists, the ability of a horse to give away those big starts in top grade doesn't really seem achievable to me. Whilst I only really follow Riverina and Sat night Menangle over the past couple years it would seem the rating system has done a pretty good job of evening out races in these jurisdictions & therefore I don't think a distance handicap is required. I think you will find betting turnover was crap which is a key reason they don't have them anymore.

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    I think false starts delaying races and too many horses blowing the start were the root causes of their demise in Victoria. As I said previously NZs three major stands, NZ, Auckland and Easter Cups are 3200 metre free for all's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Showgrounds View Post
    I think false starts delaying races and too many horses blowing the start were the root causes of their demise in Victoria. As I said previously NZs three major stands, NZ, Auckland and Easter Cups are 3200 metre free for all's.
    Sources say, when compared to CPI, NZ prizemoney has fell 13% in the past 12 years. So not a great case study.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiebreno View Post
    Most kids watched Cartoons I watched a Popular Alm video on repeat!
    These are the only cartoons Breno watched
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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiebreno View Post
    Sources say, when compared to CPI, NZ prizemoney has fell 13% in the past 12 years. So not a great case study.
    It's a damnside better than here mate. Unfortunately the handicapping system stinks ensuring horses are sold as soon as the phone rings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Showgrounds View Post
    It's a damnside better than here mate. Unfortunately the handicapping system stinks ensuring horses are sold as soon as the phone rings.
    I can't find concrete figures for HRA or HRNSW but HRV has kept up with inflation. Given NSW sold Harold Park I would say they would be ahead too. QLD has drastically improved of late. Gloucester Park prizemoney continues to be strong. Grass isn't always greener.

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    No but it is grass. Victorian country penalty stake has been stagnant on $7,000, same as Forbury Park which just ran its last meeting. At the bottom of the world Invercargill regularly races for $10k minimum. The North Island is struggling but stakes at Cambridge are back to pre-covid $8k. Alexandra Park is living proof that being competent at running a Trotting club does not automatically make you a successful property developer. Bleeding millions through its own incompetence.

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