All things APG including the Captain Ravishing sale

[Messenger]

PP is asking how Derby finalist Captain Ravishing is owned by APG - does anyone know?

see Post 7 as to why this post and posts 2-6 have been moved from the NSW thread

[Showgrounds]

I knew of the McLean rumours last year but couldn't find him as a licensee on Harness Web and cannot find any report of a disqualification. He was not the only one to welch on payment though as Captain Ravishing was knocked down to another person who is a well known participant. Guess what? The same person was at the APG sale in Sydney on Sunday!

How where they registered as a bidder? Who offered or approved them credit? How does APG get away with claiming it is a "not for profit" company whe it is seen to be owner of the racehorse Captain Ravishing? Who is paid the vendor of Captain Ravishing for the horse? Who has been paying the horse's bills? How do these occurrences comply with the company's constitution and rules?

Plenty of questions for the company to explain to its shareholders, or what remains, ASIC, HRA, etc. NB: As for the bona fides of the horse's ownership the horse is now in the name of Hassan Taiba as owner. I cannot find a way of determining when the change of ownership occurred however I recall noticing the APG as its owner when browsing the form guide last Saturday week.

Perhaps more gold coins than lolly wrappers were found down the back of the couch. Faces saved.

[Messenger]

http://www.harness.org.au/rules/UNPDFLST.HTM#list

291. The Controlling Body shall keep a list known as the "Unpaid Forfeit List".

295. (1) The provisions of this rule apply to or with reference to a person named in the list, or in the equivalent list of a recognised harness racing authority as someone owing arrears, fees, charges or other amounts.

(2) The person named in the list shall be subject to the same disabilities and penalties as are declared by Rule 259 to apply to persons who are disqualified.

[Messenger]

I think it is one of those cases where you don't have to be disqualified to lose your license. I am thinking the Unpaid Forfeits list. Once upon a time you could find this list but I don't know where it is nowadays

[Showgrounds]

Correct, but I can't find a list either. The HRA site lists all disqualified persons but no mention of a McLean. Harness Web lists only suspended drivers. I get the feeling the HRV site and the Integrity site do not wish to offend anybody. And it seems there is no way of tracking ownership changes. The results page for Melton on 14 January shows the horse (at its last win) was owned by APG. Click on the horse -owner H Taiba. Confused? Join the club.

[Messenger]

Here is a link to The Weight In Gold sale for the 14 lots

https://harnessbred.com/APG/2022/WIG/CATALOGUE/#page/21

[Messenger]

Here it is with the prices that Tim McLean supposedly paid for them as yearlings at either Sydney or Melbourne.
I couldn't find the trotters (1&14)

[Showgrounds]

Good work Kev. Unfortunately they are all three year olds now so they will only bring a fraction of their breeder's original expectations.

[Messenger]

Yes, I cannot see the colts getting 30%, the fillies maybe although Betting Line does not help despite that annoying Empire ad (which covers up the digital tracking) telling us he is/was #1 2YO Sire

[Showgrounds]

I'd love to know who writes the drivel in the media releases for this re-sale. I see a bright future for the person as a writer for Mills & Boon. Such romanticism; Libertybelle Midfrew's colt, "Michael", proclaimed as having "the potential to develop into a Grand Circuit performer" (has JB been moonlighting for APG?). No doubt being by the great Bettors Delight out of a top-performing daughter of Chritian Cullen he has the credentials on paper. In reality you could say the same for any foal.

Unfortunately the advertorial cunningly fails to mention whether the 3yo has even been broken in, just "well handled". Oh, and the colt is actually a rig. I fear "Michael" might just be known around the traps as Mickey One-Nut.