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    The Serious Shortcomings of HRA's performance records

    HRA's performance records for horses born in the late 70's and 80's are incomplete
    We all know that the HRA db does not contain Horse Performance records prior to 1980 but it is the incomplete nature of them for the 1980's which need a lot of work or at least an * to say 'these records are incomplete'

    Sure it is understandable that we were just going online at the time but incomplete records can be very misleading and people need a date from which they can be relied upon

    Here are some examples

    Black Top (1978) is listed as having won $101,089 with a record of 13 starts and 3 wins and when you click on the Racing Performances tab for him you will only see 13 starts listed for him (all in 1984) but with a little further investigation you will notice that these races do not produce $101k of prizemoney. Starts: 13 should at the very least be 13* (* incomplete). Black Top won a NSW Derby heat in 1982. If you are doing research for breeding or sale purposes you need to know that HRA records from around the early 80's cannot be relied on. It would almost be better if they were non existent (like pre 1980) than misleading by being incomplete

    Under A Cloud (1976) only has 11 starts from 1984 listed and once again it doesn't match his prizemoney total listed for him. He won the 1980 Vic Derby. Better to see nothing listed so that you know you need to look elsewhere

    There are hundreds of examples like this but what can make you believe them, is that for some horses you will see results from 81, 82, 83

    Strong Recommendation: If you are looking at a late 70's/early 80's horse check him/her at

    https://classicfamilies.azurewebsite...sedetails.aspx

    Or if you have the year books from around this period, check them
    Just like you have to for horses from the early 70's and earlier, use these resources
    If he/she is on classicfamilies, they have won a classic race or have progeny that have
    HRA may lead you to believe otherwise

    If HRA cannot afford to have all the data entered from say the 1980 year book onwards then they should * incomplete records, delete incomplete horse performance records (a bit drastic) or provide a warning at the top of the list which clearly states from what year onwards their records are complete

    I edited this to include the 80's see post 8
    Last edited by Messenger; 07-24-2022 at 04:19 PM.
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