i reckon you might have "missed the point" somewhat jamie,or are you saying it should gloves off/open slather?
[vvv] no, but that's an excellent deployment of a straw man there dan.
i am once again suggesting, as i have openly suggested on other forums for 4 or 5 years or more now, that australian racing adminstration needs to get this out of the 'too hard' basket and take a genuine look at thresholds for therapeutics.
bill muscat's recent bute charge is, as i said, imo a rather timely example.
the test for phenylbutazone is so sensitive that it picks up the presence of minute amounts and calls a positive, regardless. To my knowledge there is no threshold on that test below which it is deemed that the swab is clear.
i don't know bill from adam but whatever amount there is in that swab, given what i know of the test then i would be prepared to bet my jatz crackers that, like the overwhelming majority of other such positives, the drug wasn't found to be present in a pharmacologically active amount, that it was not in any way, shape or form providing the horse with anything even approaching that which could be reasonably referred to as being anti-inflamatory pain relief.
bute folds up its tent and goes home after 12hrs. See for yourself. Do your own experiment. Give it to a horse with a foot abscess for example and then watch how long it takes for the soreness to return.
nonetheless, old mate's now got a case to answer. Imo pragmatism has long ago been tossed out the window and it has been replaced with a thoughtless, blinded form of enforcement...replaced with an 'it's easier to ban everything and jam the trainer than it is to establish thresholds for a range of therapeutics' scenario. In this day & age, imo, that's just not good enough.
the vast majority of people in this game want a level playing field and they'd like to think to the rules and the administration are working to assure this.
[vvv] cogito ergo sum.
as i said in my earlier post if all horses arriving on course 4/5 hours before competition was a workable solution and regulated drugs administered then i'm sure everyone would be fine with that....everyone that could still participate that is.
[vvv] pretty to watch that. Take one aspect mentioned then extrapolate to the utmost, make it a blanket rule that does not even exist and then commence to yell that the sky is falling by way of participants being unable to comply with said non existant rule. you've got that old straw man routine locked down dan. You've turned it into an art form.
that one 4hr pre race arrival is an example of the lasix administration at the meadowlands...it is 4hrs prior. if your horse doesn't need lasix then you don't have to be there 4hrs prior.
god only knows what you'd have come up with if i mentioned a 24hrs detention barn for big $$$ feature events.
i'll repeat myself for your benefit.
[vvv] one more time for the people up the back in the cheap seats.
the vast distances we are spread out over in australia, combined with a large percentage of horses trained by hobbyists make on course arrival 4/5 hours before competition prohibitive.
[vvv] i'll not mention your debating method by name anymore.
A picture should suffice.
the recently repealed two hour limit caused many people to have their racing options restricted and hence reduced fields. What sort of affect do you reckon 4 to 5 hours is going to have?
[vvv] See the happy Straw gentleman sitting quietly above.
it's one thing to quote whats fine in "other racing jurisdictions" but quite another to come up with
workable solutions.
[vvv] do you honestly think that australia has some sort of a mortgage on distances, travel times and hobbyist/part time trainer participants that our US & CAN industry counterparts do not have to deal with? ground control to major tom...
one thing that really annoys me is people who frequently whinge but seldom provide solutions, whingeing is cheap and easy.... Solutions are are a tad harder to do.
[vvv] there's the hook dan.
you see, i am providing/suggesting solutions on this subject...solutions to trainers getting jammed up on bullshit positives because racing administration in this country is too reticent, complacent or just too god damned brain dead to consider an alternative.
On the other hand, you're the one who is wanting to adopt a 'hang back and let's just see where our leaders lead us' approach. If old mate hadn't gotten in his boat and sailed off for the piece to show the earth was round, we'd still be working off flat earth maps.
do us all a favour and conduct a little survey of your own, ask a reasonable cross section of trainers how they would cope with on course arrival times of 4 to 5 hours pre-competition.
[vvv] us all? Hmmm.
as in you feel that you speak for the majority then?
elected yourself representative i take it?
as for he rest of that piece...it's time for old mate to make his 3rd appearance.
if you do you might get an understanding of how the people who provide the racing product are getting on and how they reckon they might handle your "solution" in
todays world!
[vvv]...and that makes 4 straw fellows.
pity really, with 6 you get egg roll.
you could play doris day, denny could be brian keith.
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