Just heard a brief report from Andrew Bensley on Sky 2 that the Hong Kong Jockey Club has just reported that Raglan had been tested positive to the banned substance arsenic and has been stood down by HRNSW until further notice , till enquiries are concluded.
Apparently were found in samples taken from Raglan in several different races. Racing WA has apparently confirmed all this from B Samples taken.
That's all I know.
Everything old is new again?
Arsenic? Geeze. Old Tommy Woodcock's been gone for years so they can't blame him.
Seriously though, that's so old school. Makes you wonder where it comes from. Maybe some people are feeding Roxarsone or something like that? It's an arsenic compound that's fed...or at least it used to be fed....to young shed grown meat chickens in order to maximise their feed conversion. Either that...or the horse has been having a regular whack at some chook feedStrange.
Jamie, to your knowledge , how is arsenic supposed to affect a horse? Is it a "go fast" or a "go slow."?
Originally Posted by David Summers
[VVV] In it's raw form and when given in the right amounts it's actually a cardiac stimulant.
I think it's achieved with small amounts (less than would kill the horse) of the inorganic form. There are organic forms of arsenic too & they can be extremely beneficial, in particular there's sodium arsanilate, a very good tonic to give to horses as the weather warms up as it helps them shed their winter coat etc. Nature Vet make a an injectible called Jurocyl which is contains this and is designed for that exact purpose. It's very good.
I don't know whether or not the chemists can distinguish between the organic and inorganic forms of arsenic in whatever the test is that they're using...I assume that they can?
There was a galloper at start of spring carnival that tested positive to arsenic.Nothing heard since as they cant find another lab to do a test so i was told.
I think you will find it part of the make up of ITPP.
[VVV] G'day Mick. That was a pretty fair old furphy put about during the Spring Carnival by a Melbourne Journo who, for mine, didn't do her homework. I note she is yet to print a correction/retraction. Perhaps she thinks people have forgotten ?
I've had a look at the chemical structure of ITPP and I can't see where there is any arsenic contained in it's original form...and nor can I see how, once ITPP was administered, it could possibly produce arsenic as a metabolite.
It is true that Phosphates and Arsenates are very similar structure wise & they're close by each other on the Periodic Table. If they were picking up some kind of phosphates masquerading as arsenates in their test, that would make some sort of sense but each time they've come out and tagged it as the presence of arsenic which, so far and at least for me, doesn't make any sense if it's meant to indicate the presence of ITPP. Maybe there's more to it than meets the eye? Maybe arsenic is given in conjunction with ITPP? Buggered if I know.
The thing that spins my head is this.
ITPP's chemical formula is.......C6 H12 O21 P6
Arsenic's chemical formula is...H3 As O4
Where does the later come out of the former?
Jurocel is a form of arsenic. Allot of olden day trainers gave small doses too horses when worming. Cleans and purifies blood. Unsure if jurocel swabs tho???
Hi Trotter
I think you'll find Jurocel replaced a product called Robycel which contained raw arsenic and would swab ,I maybe wrong but I believe jurocel is a synthetic arsenic .
My Dad ( sorry Aussiebrenno ) used to tell me a story about Phar Lap's personal Vet ,I think his name was Nelson , who after arriving home from America (after Phar Lap's death ) set up a practice in a small country town , and soon become popular amongst horse and greyhound trainers ,who would regularly get a liquid Tonic that they had to give a certain amount of drops to give their runners a lift. A young bloke with a very good greyhound which was in a Cup race on the Sat night went to see Nelson to see if his tonic would help as the dog was out of form
Nelson told the young bloke to give the dog 3 drops a night for 3 nights and 5 drops the night before the race .
Even though the young bloke did not punt the dog was sensationally backed and won with a leg in the air
The next morning when the young bloke went to walk the dog it was dead.
Dad shattered my image of Phar Lap when he told me that Arsenic enlarges the heart ( Phar Lap had a abnormal large heart)and that arsenic being a compound can not be absorbed into the body ,it usually finds it's way to the bottom of the body ,in a horse this would be it's hoofs (Phar Lap had cronic problem with his hoof's cracking and weeping ) So it was no big surprise that in recent test on Phar Lap's Hide they found high traces of Arsenic
He went on to tell me of a horse they had from a foal who was the most docile animal you ever saw , after a month long course of Robycel it suddenly turned into a nasty bastard that would lunge at you and would kick and bite.( no wonder they banned the stuff)
Cassie
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