Shayne Cramp gets trainers license suspended for 6 months for a driving offence???

[little fish]

Cramp was only given till midnight to get everything organised for 30-odd horses - he was told this at 10.30pm when he was at Swan Hill which is 3 hours away from home (Mildura).

Animal welfare question - who is supposed to exercise/feed/drink the horses the following morning? Most of Australia is asleep at 10.30pm at night how the hell is a guy supposed to make all necessary arrangements when everyone is asleep.

In the general interests of owners and horses shouldn't the stewards maybe give the guy 24 hours to make arrangements?

And just wondering - didn't Glen Douglas pull Shayne Cramp out of a sulky not too long ago after a race and only got a 5k fine and 6 months driving suspension?

Lets be straight here - Glen Douglas hardly drives. He is first and foremost a trainer, THE trainer, suspending his driving license HA HA what a joke.

KEY POINT OF DIFFERENCE - Douglas charged with rule 231 which relates to harass/threaten etc. Cramp charged with rule 168 which is foul driving, putting people/horses safety in danger etc.

I suppose pulling a driver out of a sulky isn't a dangerous act? Driver had no chance of falling in the wrong manner and breaking his neck?

Thoughts??

[aussiebreno]

Cramp was only given till midnight to get everything organised for 30-odd horses - he was told this at 10.30pm when he was at Swan Hill which is 3 hours away from home (Mildura).

Animal welfare question - who is supposed to exercise/feed/drink the horses the following morning? Most of Australia is asleep at 10.30pm at night how the hell is a guy supposed to make all necessary arrangements when everyone is asleep.

In the general interests of owners and horses shouldn't the stewards maybe give the guy 24 hours to make arrangements?

And just wondering - didn't Glen Douglas pull Shayne Cramp out of a sulky not too long ago after a race and only got a 5k fine and 6 months driving suspension?

Lets be straight here - the bloke hardly drives. He is first and foremost a trainer, THE trainer, suspending his driving license HA HA what a joke.

KEY POINT OF DIFFERENCE - Douglas charged with rule 231 which relates to harass/threaten etc. Cramp charged with rule 168 which is foul driving, putting people/horses safety in danger etc.

I suppose pulling a driver out of a sulky isn't a dangerous act? Driver had no chance of falling in the wrong manner and breaking his neck?

Thoughts??

Thats woeful if true.

At the time of Douglas drivers suspension I was on here whinging it didn't directly relate to race driving and should have been tougher. Now Cramps has a bit more to do with race driving and his suspension is tougher. Making Douglas' driving suspension look more and more like a joke!

[little fish]

The offence relates to this race:
http://media.harness.org.au/vic/MLC12021303.wmv
(for windows)

Incident happened as they crossed the finish line.

If Shayne Cramp had a brain fade and simply snapped then he deserves his drivers at least to be rubbed out - no arguments there.

However I believe Cramp has told stewards that he got the reins crossed and it was an accident. If you look at the replay it is hard to tell - certainly not conclusive enough evidence that you go straight to rubbing the guys out for 6 months and give him 90 minutes to make alternative arrangements for your horses.

I understand the stewards job and support them 100% in making it a cleaner more professional industry.

But there were 5 seperate witnesses to prove Douglas physically pulled Cramp out of his sulky - not just some grainy footage from sky that to be honest seems inconclusive.

Any other forces at play here that people can enlighten us about?

[little fish]

http://www.harness.org.au/news-artic...?news_id=20091

"Stewards tonight concluded their inquiry into an incident that occurred after the winning post after the running of race 7 the Chloe Pace at the Mildura Harness Racing meeting on Tuesday, 12 February 2013.
After considering further evidence tendered by drivers Shayne Cramp (Imtheguy), Nigel Milne (Maria Caterina), starter Doug Gretgrix, the official race replay and the Stewards’ own observations, driver Shayne Cramp was charged under AR 168(1) which reads: A person shall not before, during or after a race drive in a manner which in the opinion of the Stewards is careless, reckless, incompetent, intimidatory, improper, foul or likely to endanger persons or horses.
The particulars of the charge being that after passing the winning post at the finish of the race Mr Cramp directed his drive Imtheguy inwards into the line of Maria Caterina (Nigel Milne) resulting in that horse being severely checked. The driving was alleged to be foul or likely to endanger persons or horses.
Driver Cramp was found guilty as charged and after considering the matter of penalty he was disqualified for a period of six months. In determining penalty the Stewards took into account submissions of Mr Cramp and also the very serious nature of the charge."

[silky smooth]

The offence relates to this race:
http://media.harness.org.au/vic/MLC12021303.wmv
(for windows)

Incident happened as they crossed the finish line.

If Shayne Cramp had a brain fade and simply snapped then he deserves his drivers at least to be rubbed out - no arguments there.

However I believe Cramp has told stewards that he got the reins crossed and it was an accident. If you look at the replay it is hard to tell - certainly not conclusive enough evidence that you go straight to rubbing the guys out for 6 months and give him 90 minutes to make alternative arrangements for your horses.

I understand the stewards job and support them 100% in making it a cleaner more professional industry.

But there were 5 seperate witnesses to prove Douglas physically pulled Cramp out of his sulky - not just some grainy footage from sky that to be honest seems inconclusive.

Any other forces at play here that people can enlighten us about?

Cramp was not given till midnight to sort his affairs out he has 48 hours to appeal or have horses sent elsewhere he was given his time straight after the last and correct me if I'm wrong that was not after 10 o'clock if I'm wrong I'm sorry

[silky smooth]

Just a couple of small questions if someone could please explain.
Was Maria Caterina injured in the incident?
Were the 5 so called separate witnesses from one camp?
Did the Douglas/Cramp incident happen in front of a steward?
please dont whinge about the two camps cause i dont care just after some facts
thanks SS

[teecee]

If you want factual info suggest you research what you're after.
You can start at www.hra.org.au/stewards wrap

[Toohard]

Just a couple of small questions if someone could please explain.
Was Maria Caterina injured in the incident?
Were the 5 so called separate witnesses from one camp?
Did the Douglas/Cramp incident happen in front of a steward?
please dont whinge about the two camps cause i dont care just after some facts
thanks SS

Gday Pete
I found this in original stewards report here http://www.harness.org.au/stewards-r...fm?mc=ML120213

Maria Caterina underwent a veterinary examination immediately after the race. Club veterinary surgeon Dr Neville Japp reported that Maria Caterina had abrasions on both hind legs and its right fore leg as well as skin deep wounds. Maria Caterina was stood down from racing due to its injuries for a period of 7 days on veterinary advice.

Can't help with other two though.

[clumsy]

We cannot have this sort of behaviour being carried out by anyone without a strong penalty being given. It was Shayne Cramps second offence for a similar thing that might have counted against him this time

[little fish]

We cannot have this sort of behaviour being carried out by anyone without a strong penalty being given. It was Shayne Cramps second offence for a similar thing that might have counted against him this time

I don't think anyone could disagree with you there.

With that in mind can I ask what are your thoughts about the Douglas incident/penalty?