That is just the saddest news to come home to on a Friday night, thankyou Adam for letting us know. I thoroughly enjoyed Clumsys contributions and had no idea of his passing. Even though we sometimes never get to meet fellow members face to face, you still feel a real connection with most. If his family ever read this this forum then they should know his comments were well received by most. I asked him one day what relation he was to Shaun and of course he said "Shaun is my son" and I have followed Shauns training efforts ever since. To Shaun and his family, my deepest condolences to you all. Brad