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    Dan I normally have a respect for your opinion but I promise on this one you do not know all of the facts. Every case should be assessed on its merits and if trainers are proven to be injecting horses with little white bottles labelled "Water for Horses" with unknown contents, then beyond cobalt they are actually injecting the horse with a totally unapproved substance and 20 years is to good for them.
    However, does HRNSW truly know how long cobalt stays in the system and does one of these supplements need to be given race day. In my opinion the evidence is non existent. Injecting 10ml Hemo 15 for 3 days on 5 horses is hardly compelling proof. I wish that when the horses got positives that the stewards took samples from the horses and tested them to see what the levels were and monitored with regards the retention period. Or maybe they have in some circumstances and have not released the information.
    As for the jumps racing reference if you don't understand I am talking about the sensationalism of the media on negatives in all forms of racing then have a think about it.

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    http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horserac...18-12sqgm.html

    Could this lead to vets being blamed for positives as well as the trainer? Does it allow for the trainer to "share the blame"?

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    If this is already here sorry....

    http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horserac...17-12s9ot.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Race For Fun View Post
    Neither of your links have been posted previously so thanks Toni.
    Always thought the SMH was the same as The Age but that second link is pretty much harness news and our Age NEVER does harness
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    "We class our drugs and were a little unsure of where it fitted, so initially it was put between a class 1 and 2. But as the science has become more clear it has been moved into the class 1 category."

    This must be a joke never been more unclear from what I can see!! Delusional

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    OTI Racing, Terry Henderson and Simon O'Donnell's views.


    https://www.dropbox.com/s/npzlzyrc84...etter.pdf?dl=0
    Last edited by arlington; 02-13-2015 at 11:38 AM.

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    Patrick Bartley continues the pursuit

    http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horserac...22-12vyux.html

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    The EVA advises members to be extremely careful with any supplement that contains cobalt, and to avoid the use of unregistered compounded products.

    The warning about unregistered products is significant because there is substantial evidence available from the Harness NSW cobalt cases last year.

    Harness Racing commissioned a scientific study on the supplements last year which showed that while a couple of horses in the study went slightly over the threshold, the elevation over the threshold was small and for a very short time – in the order of hours.

    In this study, the supplements used were registered but they needed to be used contrary to the manufacturers recommendations, being used frequently and excessively to get over the threshold.

    Most significantly, super concentrated unlicensed, black market cobalt was identified as being used in the NSW cobalt cases.
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    The racing world will be watching HRNSW today as the Day/McDowell inquiry is scheduled to resume today

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    Kevin,

    Hate for the facts to get in the way of a good story.

    The facts are the HRNSW test horses in NSW were given 10ml of Hemo-15 for 3 days.

    Attached is the fact sheet for Hemo-15 it recommends 1ml per 50kg, so 10ml is not excessive.
    http://www.virbac.com.au/home/horse-...mo-15-pis.html

    Secondly there are no recommendations for the frequency of the injections, but it is recommended for horse in training, so again the facts are getting in the way of the story somebody is trying to sell but the literature does not concur.

    Thirdly did HRNSW or HRA ever issue a statement with regards the use of the supplements??

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    Here is a fact from the EVA for you Adam


    http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horserac...22-12vyux.html


    The email from Equine Veterinarians Australia, titled "Important Members Alert – Cobalt", may have inadvertently added fuel to the fire as to who might be involved in Victoria's cobalt doping saga.

    The email states that since the reports there has been a great deal of media commentary on the issue, most of it negative.

    It points out that "horses require very small amounts of cobalt for correct function and those amounts can be found in a balanced diet.


    so maybe people need to find the best horse not the best chemist
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