James, I think in post 679 Phil has provided the info on the tests Jack was referring to. I am wondering why Jack has not replied to it - could it be that it does not support what he claimed?
Jack, I'm happy to provide you with my details regarding this if you want to send that info thru. it is very polarising this whole cobalt issue.
But If the science says its impossible to go over the 200mg level with vitamins and, high levels of cobalt act like EPO i'm all for trainers being rubbed out.
James, I think in post 679 Phil has provided the info on the tests Jack was referring to. I am wondering why Jack has not replied to it - could it be that it does not support what he claimed?
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Explain to me why would you test brood mares with cobalt products????. I think a controlled "in work" regime would work better however that opens up a different ethical situation. May have to be done to get reliable results but the horses must not race only amongst themselves. I wonder if the owners of the Broodmares used in this study were notified ????. As the industry discovers new substances that can have an effect a horses you see the rise and falls of many participants and there horses. Many of the horses either dont race again or rarely improve on their previous performances once they have been proven positive. I believe these substances damage the vital organs of these horses who have been pressed to their maximum to many times.
craig demmler charged ,colalt...stewards wrap HRV web site.
The Age still going for the gallops accused
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/horse...17-gjol1n.html
but the bigger and more confusing story is the supposed attempt to put a spy in the Moody stable
The Age is reporting that chief steward Terry Bailey is saying it is nonsense
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/horse...16-gjobqj.html
while The Sun seems to be suggesting the opposite - including quotes from the intended spy/stablehand.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/su...-1227530832366
Personally, I don't care what tactics Stewards use to ensure a clean industry but one thing for sure is that Moody seems to be very frazzled nowadays
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The more P Moody speaks and complains about the rules and stewards, it seems he is just digging himself a bigger hole. He admits to breaking rules just because he thinks they are stupid rules !
I have no problems with spies being sent into stables, if you are following the rules whats the problem ? There are some people who just don't belong in any of the racing codes ! The sooner they are weeded out the better.
Don't die wondering !
I'm guessing that Racing Victoria are taking their time due to any possible legal ramifications if the matter is challenged in Court and the Accuseds defence teams just happen to have it thrown out, This could run into 10's of millions of dollars in compensation, The main thing is to have an air tight case if it's a long drawn out battle.
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Last edited by teecee; 09-19-2015 at 11:53 AM.
Patrick Bartley seems to be suggesting that the Moody case is being played out in the media and he is critical of his peers
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/horse...18-gjprvc.html
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