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    Senior Member 3YO gutwagon will become famous soon enough gutwagon's Avatar
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    Noel, Andrew and David are brothers. Andrew is currently serving one of his many disqualifications. I am disgusted that David was given his licence back.
    Don't die wondering !

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    Super Moderator Stallion Messenger will become famous soon enough Messenger's Avatar
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    We have been talking about eliminating repeat offenders from the sport but I notice in last night's Mildura results that David Vozlic is back in a big way.
    A search makes for some colourful reading: 2004, 2008, 2012
    Another 2 winners at Mildura tonight but a $1.10 and a $1.50 fav from his stable both defeated

    http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fie...L040118&ms=vic
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    Super Moderator Stallion Messenger will become famous soon enough Messenger's Avatar
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    Anybody else starting to think that many professionals don't really love horses

    http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horserac...09-h0ftjm.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Messenger View Post
    Anybody else starting to think that many professionals don't really love horses

    http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horserac...09-h0ftjm.html
    I am sure they ALL love horses. I am CERTAIN they all love money more than they love horses.

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    http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia...ackle-cheating

    Scala said cheating was “much more prevalent in the horse and harness racing industries” than people may believe.

    That it is a scary statement when one already believes it is prevalent - simply based on the number caught

    I would not be surprised if Scala gets a reminder about the Media policy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Messenger View Post
    http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia...ackle-cheating

    Scala said cheating was “much more prevalent in the horse and harness racing industries” than people may believe.

    That it is a scary statement when one already believes it is prevalent - simply based on the number caught

    I would not be surprised if Scala gets a reminder about the Media policy

    Courtesy of racing.com, a thoroughbred article relating to "top ups" https://www.racing.com/news/2018-02-...e-named-shamed

    From the article-
    It will then be up to breeders and owners to decide if they want to place their horses in stables where bi-carb is potentially being abused.
    An interesting concept, one wonders.

    And this effective from today,HRA rule amendment
    http://www.harness.org.au/media-room...?news_id=36554
    Interpreted as relating to what could be broadly classed as top ups?


    Not so much the HRA amendment but having read how much our fire fighting air fleet is worth and now trialing infra red, night flights, am wondering what the drone fleet might need to be worth.

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    Senior Member Horse Of The Year arlington will become famous soon enough
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    Changes to HRV stake payments effective March 2

    After feedback and consultation with industry participants Harness Racing Victoria (HRV) announces the following changes to stake payments effective from the stake payment on March 2, 2018:
    1. Stake payments for races with prizemoney of $10,000 and below will no longer have to wait for the release of swab results and will be paid in the next stake payment following the race;
    2. The frequency of stake payment has been increased so that a payment will now occur each fortnight opposed to the previous schedule of twice per month (in some previous months it could be up to three weeks between stake payments).
    “These changes will result in the vast majority of industry participants receiving stake payments earlier, more frequently and at regular intervals,” HRV General Manager Finance Luke Spano said.



    In relation to 1:

    Would it be too sceptical to presume the participants consulted were from, and associated with, the "professional" ranks? Again, sceptical to presume non professional participants, whether they be members of the Trainers and Drivers Association or not, weren't consulted?
    The "vast majority" being those who have not had a conviction due to a positive swab and/or are not racing on a stay whilst waiting an appeal to VCAT to review a disqualification? Surely couldn't be a blanket policy especially in the case where such a trainer might win/place whilst on a stay with a swab pending for that result as well?

    Whilst cash flow is important to pretty well everyone, does this policy change instil confidence or help protect all participants and punters?

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    Numerous groups were consulted, including the trainers and drivers association, owners association, advisory council, breeders etc. Not just the 'professional' ranks. The cash flow situation was causing some difficulties to both smaller and larger participants.

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    Senior Member Horse Of The Year arlington will become famous soon enough
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yabbie View Post
    Numerous groups were consulted, including the trainers and drivers association, owners association, advisory council, breeders etc. Not just the 'professional' ranks. The cash flow situation was causing some difficulties to both smaller and larger participants.
    I understand the cash flow situation Carol. The increase in frequency of payments alone would help to a fair extent. But the reason/s for releasing payments prior to swabs being cleared? And I do realise only a small number of swabs return positives. So I ask again, is this a blanket policy change (vast majority?) and does it help instil confidence or help protect all participants and punters?

    In regards to consultation, perhaps another case of not all kindred bodies communicating well with their members.

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    Member Yearling David Martin will become famous soon enough
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    Hi Wayne,


    The 'vast majority' only refers to the fact that payments are released for races $10k and below, with winners of races with prizemoney above this level still required to await swab results. This brings HRV more or less in line with a number of other states and racing codes in Victoria. Prior to making this change, HRV consulted with the organisations that Carol listed, and took feedback from quite a number of participants/owners, etc. via the Australia wide Harness Industry Facebook Group.


    This move will help a large number of participants to better manage their cash-flows without putting at risk the integrity of the sport. Punters confidence should be increased in the knowledge that HRV have doubled post-race swabs to detect cases where people are not doing the right thing.


    Cheers, David

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