The gallops are not all that great an example Kevin, Randwick struggles to get mid 20,000's for Doncaster Day, the average metropolitan meetings are a fraction of what they used to be, and forget about a midweek crowd, it's negligible. As I said, the industry needs to work out how to tap into the people that are in the areas around these new tracks but constantly harping about the past, in particular when the more recent past is nothing but a myth, does little to improve the situation.