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    Why is it so?

    Why does our speed explosion continue?
    Is it because the quality of our horses was so far behind the rest of the harness world?

    The oldest of Melton's 3 main pacing records is only a bit over a year old (14 months).
    The same is true for the 6 trotting records
    Compare this to Flemington where despite having 10 main distances the youngest of their records is more than 4 years old (50 months)

    For a while we could put it down to improved track but Melton for example is 8 years old now

    I guess part of it is that our tracks offer more consistent surfaces than grass but the difference between the codes is somewhat surprising
    Maybe the standardbred horse is/was further from reaching its breeding potential

    http://www.harness.org.au/tabcorppark/tabcorppark.cfm

    https://www.flemington.com.au/racing...nd-attendances
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    Smoken Up went 1.48.5. Tinted Cloud not one of the best credentialed sires and his mares side isn't strong. Mr Feelgood ex American was in that race is well beaten 20m. So based on that, 6 - 8 years ago our breed was around the mark with the US.
    I don't think we've ever seen a massive leap in progression in the breed at any time in history, always seems to be gradual. The stars don't just fall off a cliff when the new kids come along. So I think its fair enough to say we haven't ever been too far behind the US. Young Quinn once beat Rambling Willie who won 3x US Horse of the Years.

    But given what breeders are doing we should be seeing a gradual progression in our Australian breed so it makes sense to see track records.

    Meltons records - the 2760 mobile was the Hunter Cup distance for the first time so was a bit of a given.
    In the past 14 months how many races have been run over the Melton 1720 and Melton 2240. Could be more races over those distances in the past 14 months than at some distances at Flemington in the past 50 months so thats not exactly a like for like comparison.

    As you mentioned one reason could be pacing is still reaching its peak. This could be so given galloping is natural, pacing not so much.

    For me, another big reason is the way races are being run. The bigger tracks have seen race run quicker earlier in the race, and this type of driving has also crept in at other tracks. Seeing less and less sit up and sprint races, and more races being run at a genuine pace. This has always been the case in the gallops. Our last 400 has traditionally been the quickest part of the race. Gallops last 400m isn't necessarily the quickest part and can sometimes be the slowest part of the race. This style of racing is slowly creeping in to harness racing which leads to the overall time being quicker.

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    Thanks Breno, very interesting thoughts especially about racing tactics
    You are no doubt right that there would be far more races over the 1720 and 2240 at Melton than some of the Flemington distances; I would however think that the number of times the VERY best race over say 1200 or 1600 may be comparable to how often our VERY best race at Melton over 1720 or 2240
    Maybe the question should be as to why Flemington/the gallopers are not continuing to see a gradual progression like harness (and athletics and swimming etc etc)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Messenger View Post
    Thanks Breno, very interesting thoughts especially about racing tactics
    You are no doubt right that there would be far more races over the 1720 and 2240 at Melton than some of the Flemington distances; I would however think that the number of times the VERY best race over say 1200 or 1600 may be comparable to how often our VERY best race at Melton over 1720 or 2240
    Maybe the question should be as to why Flemington/the gallopers are not continuing to see a gradual progression like harness (and athletics and swimming etc etc)
    Does seem odd the length of time some gallops records are held for. No doubt track preparation would play a major part but some of their records are held for over a decade by horses who weren't top class.

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    I can't see the thoroughbreds bringing in sectional times any time soon.

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    Maybe it is that the lead is such a treasured position in harness racing that it creates early speed that sets up times but it obviously has to be that the horses are improving too (and sometimes it has been due to track improvement)
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