Thanks Mighty Atom - maybe my lack of punctuation has caused a misread. There is no accusation. I am actually pro success provided it is done correctly. In relation to this post - Thorns success should be commended and encouraged. My belief is that he is a good horseman and that his confidence has grown exponentially by having menangle on his door step, good owners, some quality stock. His driving has improved but for me he is a better trainer than driver hence my comment regarding how horses have a better win ratio when driven by others. But then again this may be due to his placement and utilising dispensations (i.e jnr drivers). The industry needs more Thorns which blossom into roses!