Rocknroll Hanover

[mightymo]

Watch this space ladies and gents.

This story has more twists and turns than any Agatha Christie novel!

I do expect him to be available to Aust breeders...

[triplev123]

I hope for all their sakes that he turns up Mightymo but until such time as he walks off the IRT charter you just never know. One hopes that they take more care unloading him than they did when loading Bettor Cover Lover.

[mightymo]

The further surprise is that he wont be standing at Warwick Stud...

[Love Of Courage]

Hello Mightymo & VVV

I think Mightymo should be a journalist or reporter with all your scoops !

VVV with your colourful phrase I think that you would make an excellent race caller. Ever done a race call I reckon it would be a beauty.

[Gtrain]

Just be sure they unload him into the correct Empire.

[Termite]

Thanks for the sly insight mighty mo. Do you think they have missed the boat on getting the best mares to his court. I'm sure a lot of quality mares are being committed elsewhere as they dither on rnrh. Any clues as to price, country/state he will stand in?

[mightymo]

No one books specific mares in at this stage. At most breeders have made bookings into a stallion.

He will be in Vic.

Not sure as to price but im guessing it will be very similar to what was initially discussed bytn the other parties looking to stand him

[Termite]

Thanks Mighty Mo. Seems like Gtrain also has his nose on the scent!

[justdoit]

My congratulation to the Warick stud was premature then? money talks:)

[triplev123]

Just be sure they unload him into the correct Empire.

;) You're good.

[mightymo]

It's official.

he is standing at Empire Stallions at $12,500

Reckon we could make a really good movie on the effort to get him here!

[triplev123]

Blockbuster Aussie Deal For Rocknroll Hanover - EXCLUSIVE
Aug 1

In what surely must be the most significant stallion deal ever struck by the southern hemisphere, Empire Stallions has leased leading sire Rocknroll Hanover for the upcoming breeding season.
Operated by David James and Donna Egan, the Australian nursery will stand the 9-year-old Western Ideal son for a fee of AUS $12,500.
"You're talking to about the happiest guy in the world right now," said James, who has just returned to the state of Victoria from his home in Middletown, New York.
Although born in Canada, James had been an American-based bloodstock agent for many years before launching a breeding farm in Australia some 15 years ago.
"I cannot say enough about Perretti Farms and their professionalism in this arrangement," James added. "It could not have gone better and I believe it is such a significant accomplishment for the breed.
"Rocknroll Hanover has been a great sire in North America and never before has the very best from North America actually gone to either Australia or New Zealand. He's an unbelievably fertile horse and is tailor-made for the mares down there now including daughters of Bettors Delight, Art Major, Direct Scooter, Fake Left and a bunch of others. It really is remarkable so you can understand why we maybe slept two hours last night."
Rocknroll Hanover has just his third crop of foals now racing but already has sired winners of over $20 million with 40 $100,000 earners.
His arrival set for September 5 via New Zealand will give Empire Stallions a roster of 12 horses for the coming breeding season including Artistic Fella, Blissfull Hall, Four Starzzz Shark, and Tell All, among others.Rocknroll Hanover will return for the North American breeding season early next year.

[mango]

I was wrong

[Greg Hando]

Has any anyone seen him from the picture's he look's like he's got a box head or is it just me.

[eliteblood]

Has any anyone seen him from the picture's he look's like he's got a box head or is it just me.

It could just be you Greg but you are probably being a bit hard on yourself. I'm sure your head is not that bad :)

[Greg Hando]

It could just be you Greg but you are probably being a bit hard on yourself. I'm sure your head is not that bad :)

It is i've been told packed into too many scrum's ha ha

[triplev123]

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Found some of pics on the internet for you Greg.

[Greg Hando]

Thanks triple certainly not box headed in them but then not pony fired either will have to have a look when he get's here as in the flesh is best

[triplev123]

Go have a look at him indeed. Good idea. From what I've been told, from looking at those pics and from what I can remember of him back when he was racing...he's a big, strong & powerfully built horse.

Btw...here's a good link to some paddock video of him. http://vimeo.com/22902893

[Greg Hando]

Thank's triple his hindquarter is massive and his head suit's his body he look's a pretty heavy horse on that video but all in proportion

[dizzy]

Thanks VVV for the video link and photos. He is an impressive horse in stature and record. Not many Artsplace mares here but there must be plenty of Artsplace granddaughters available now through the likes of Grinfromeartoear, Modern Art, Art Major etc to fill his book and give him every chance to establish a great record here as well.

Congratulations to Empire and wishing them every success for getting him here.

[justdoit]

What was the cost of the frozen semen?? :(


Is the horse now to be classed as a Winbak stallion?

The AU dollar will continue its climb against the US and next year SBSWhere will be here. (obviously)

[mango]

What was the cost of the frozen semen?? :(


Is the horse now to be classed as a Winbak stallion?

The AU dollar will continue its climb against the US and next year SBSWhere will be here. (obviously)

$24,750

[Love Of Courage]

Hello Hello,

What will happen to the frozen semen from Rock N Roll Hanover that Nevele R Stud had. Can this be sold and if so wonder what the price would be. Also curious to see what price Western Ideal semen would be.

[triplev123]

Thank's triple his hindquarter is massive and his head suit's his body he look's a pretty heavy horse on that video but all in proportion

I knew that he was a pretty big horse Greg...but that bit of footage still surprised me.
He has got some old school about him, like the ones we used to see & especially with a bit of Tar Heel in them up close, kind of big all over, tending to the heavy side bone-structure wise and maybe a bit short-ish in the pasterns?
I'm not sure if our Southern Hemisphere mares are refined enough as a group to conistently back down his overall bulk and bone but as always it depend solely on the types of mares he gets. Perhaps the more refined they are the better? Interestingly, the opposite seems to be the case for his son, RnR Heaven. The bigger they are the better. If you didn't know they were sire and son, visually you'd be hard pressed to pick the realtionship.

[BenScadden]

I saw him race ... and then at Perretti. He's a big, powerful type ... certainly on the heavier side. He's a brute, in fact.

I have an Artsplace mare who'll go to him ... but not until next season (depending on how her racing career pans out). Looking forward to that day, though ...

[mango]

Hello Hello,

What will happen to the frozen semen from Rock N Roll Hanover that Nevele R Stud had. Can this be sold and if so wonder what the price would be. Also curious to see what price Western Ideal semen would be.

Western Ideal is $13,750

[triplev123]

Now THAT'S value (comparitively speaking).

[Greg Hando]

Safely Kept was a heavier hose as well i think and has done a great job RNRH should as well

[Flashing Red]

Might just be me, but most stallions I know were A LOT finer when racing. Same as the broodmares. Once they both let down, their legs and necks seem to get a lot thicker. They never look how they raced, that is for sure.

[triplev123]

Safely Kept was a heavier hose as well i think and has done a great job RNRH should as well

Geeze, now there's a memory Greg.
SK sure was an ugly big bugger, shocked me when I first saw him. Very docile horse to the point of appearing as though he had been jammed with Ketamine. Would you believe he was actually wandering around in Alan's backyard at Alabar...boof head, heavy legs & feet, looked like a freaking Clydesdale...but for the most part he didn't seem to leave them that way. Holmes Hanover was the same sort of horse apparently. When he was still at Nevele R I can remember Uncle Bob saying that if you were going to breed a mare to Holmes, not to go and look at him. He had that real Tar Heel rawness about him. I've quite often had the same sort of reaction to seeing a stallion in the flesh for the first time as you can do when you see a Radio announcer's face for the 1st time. The mental picture you develop and the reality can often be poles apart. Same thing happened when I first met The Big Mile. I'd heard on the grapevine of his final furlong sprints down the grassed side of the outside fence and I expected an Asafa Powell style of bloke...but instead as it turned out he was built more like former Australian Rugby prop forward & Stone Cold hard man, Stan Pilecki...only sans the moustache. ;)
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[Greg Hando]

Yep i saw Holmes Hanover a very heavy horse had forgot about him also some horses that had Light Brigade up close as well.

[Don Corleone]

Hey triple, great shot of Stan! The comparison with Safely Kept, Holmes Hanover and Stan is spot on! Only difference is Stan scared me.

[nat]

Interesting to see Art Major Not listed as booked out, he has been listed booked out for the last few years before the service fee's had even gone out. I wonder how many owners are trying to back peddle out to go to R'N'R Hanover now ?

[mo cushla]

RNRH is advertised as $12,500 Frozen Semen on the Empire web site. Is that correct ?

[mango]

I was just on the website and can't find RNRH on there as yet.

[nat]

I'll second that Mango

[nowuseeme]

was talking to david at empire yesterday he is jumping over the moon

[mo cushla]

Go to Sires index and click on RNRH. This directs you to Empire site.

[nat]

See what you mean Mo, but with all things website about the industry there is one stud advertising him who supposedly don't have him and the one stud that supposedly has him hasn't anything on their own website but have advertised him in the national racing paper and this is the first I have seen on the Industry website not uncommon for getting it balls'd up.

It is easy to be uncertain you will properly get the truth here on this site before pens put to paper to sign the deal

[mango]

I had a mate that rang up the other day and booked 3 in to Rocknroll Hanover and they said he will be standing at Empire so that mean's it will be fresh/chilled semen and his fertility is excellent. He will be included in there discount structure with a max of 10% off for multiple mare discounts.

[triplev123]

Hey triple, great shot of Stan! The comparison with Safely Kept, Holmes Hanover and Stan is spot on! Only difference is Stan scared me.


I once played against Stan in a social rugby game (is there such a thing/) up in Brisbane quite a few years ago now. My memory's a bit hazey of exactly where but I recall the field as being out the back of Towong, kind of in the general area of the Regatta Hotel somewhere? Anyway, by then Stan of course had long since retired but nevertheless, packing down against him was what I imagine it would be like if you stuck your head in a hydraulic wool press & pushed the button. He must have been something to deal with as a much younger and fitter bloke. He pushed and shoved and bored in on my neck & jaw area and in just about every scrum he succeeded in turning me into a pretzel. Tough as Teak.

[justdoit]

L Justice,
They do not unless the Owner's insist.:)

[mango]

I don't think they will close Hanover's book under the deal which was done.

[Opto]

I thought I'd be all over RNR Hanover, but having had a look at the video footage in the paddock and compared it to the same for RNR Heaven, I know where I'll be going. It's almost cumbersome vs silk.

[Ian Wright]

14.3 hands vs 16 hands - proven results vs new sire - your choice.

[triplev123]

Rock N Roll Heaven is NOT 14.3h. You need to get yourself along to OPSM Ian.

[doubled123]

id think its a typo triple, 15.3


looks a clear cut decision for mine, small/fine mare = rocknroll...large heavy mare =heaven...anywhere inbetween is a flip of the coin according your financial situation

[triplev123]

looks a clear cut decision for mine, small/fine mare = rocknroll...large heavy mare =heaven...anywhere inbetween is a flip of the coin according your financial situation

[VVV] Testify Brother Double D. Amen.

[Love Of Courage]

id think its a typo triple, 15.3


looks a clear cut decision for mine, small/fine mare = rocknroll...large heavy mare =heaven...anywhere inbetween is a flip of the coin according your financial situation

I would agree big mare to Heaven smaller mare to Hanover. 15.3 ??? 15.1 closer to the mark. ??

[Flashing Red]

I would agree big mare to Heaven smaller mare to Hanover. 15.3 ??? 15.1 closer to the mark. ??

I agree. Unless his trainer and groom were the size of NBA stars. hehehe! :)

[montana]

On my way to Melbourne this week to see my Thoroughbred stallion and i am going to pop in and check out Rock N Roll Hanover while in the area. I have booked in 3 mares this season to him and was speaking to David this week who said the horse traveled well , looks in terrific shape and is a dream to handle with a great nature. I am also keen to check out Artistic Fella for some of my other broodmares this year , he looks like a nice horse and i have heard good reports.

[triplev123]

G'day Montana,
We only bred the 1 Artistic Fella (now a yearling) & given the quality of that foal and of those that I've seen to date, in retrospect I think it would have been nice to have bred a few more of them. On the strength of ours we'll be going back again. It's an early maturing, tall, long bodied, well conformed/balanced, intelligent individual, overall a really good style of horse. I think trainers will like them and as an owner/breeder I think you will like what you see too.
Up close & personal he is very impressive. If you get a chance to do so, go stand squarely behind him & drop down a bit to around the level of where the Nthn. Hemisphere drivers would be. You'll wonder how in the hell his driver, Cat Manzi, was able to see where he was going. Very powerful.

Here's a link to one of his Youtube promo videos. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhoX-wwS-Dc&feature=related
It was only loaded up very recently (mid August 2011)
I love Mike Hamilton's comment late in the stretch in the 2007 Open Breeders Crown from Mohawk...
"from off cover Lis Mara trying to fire but all Sears is getting is spinning wheels".

[triplev123]

Btw...I was a Lis Mara fan until I saw Artistic Fella deal to him on a number of occasions.

[montana]

thanks triple i will definitely take a look from the drivers angle. hopefully they might have some young ones at the stud from AF.

[montana]

I have to say Rock N Roll Hanover is as you would expect an awesome looking horse , so strong and the sheer power in his rear end is incredible , awesome neck , just an all round great looking horse with a kind nature and extremely easy horse to handle . He looks in fantastic order and you wouldnt know he has just traveled , i wouldn't hesitate in recommending him to anyone that is looking for a top end stallion ( not that he needs recommending ) .

While we were there we saw Artistic Fella and he is as nice a horse as you would ever see , big strong horse also with a good nature , i think he is exceptional value at his current price around the 4k mark , i liked him so much i have decided to send a few mares to him i wasnt going to breed to this year . I think he is going to do the job when his foals hit the ground. You are right triple he is huge from behind and without standing them side by side is a slightly bigger horse than RocknRoll but a little finer.

David and Donna are really nice people with a very nice well established property , good sized yards and the place is immaculate and safe , my wife and i really enjoyed our time meeting them and we are looking forward to doing business with them for years to come.

the whole experience was a pleasure and it really does make a difference seeing the stallions up close in person , you just instantly picture your mare standing right next to him and really found myself visualizing what sort of foal it will bring , it was really an unexpected thought process but a rewarding one.

Just wish all my 2 year old fillies were a few years older now !

cheers

dean

[Greg Hando]

Thank's for your insight Montana very informative to really know what they're like.