On the subject of those C0 to C5 $25,000 Finals at Menangle...

[triplev123]

...Under 3. HANDICAPPING PENALTIES GENERAL

Rule 3.1 (b) (iv), covers them.
Although probably better read in the context of the entire section I can't get the damned thing to copy & paste for some reason so, to save everyone the trouble of looking it up, the specific section reads as follows...
(iv) a special race approved by the Controlling Body with no stakemoney restriction for Pacers classified C0 to C5 (inclusive) or for Trotters classified T0 or better.

[aussiebreno]

Ahh..whats this post all about lol?

[Greg Hando]

It's to do with the EI races we were talking about before where horses were graded differentially in each state geez you've got a short memory

[aussiebreno]

Yes that's what I thought, just want confirmation before I dig up a reply because its a new thread.

[triplev123]

Sorry Breno, I couldn't find the relevant thread to tie it intofor ....my eyes are dim, I cannot see, I did not (at the time) have my specs with me. :cool: Ok, so they're sunnies. It's the best I could do.

[aussiebreno]

Sitting in the car the other day down the main street of Wagga. A ute pulls up alongside me and two men get out, the driver aged in his 30s and the passenger in his 60s; most likely father and son. The father says "Oh yeah I see it; its over there" and points down the road 3 quarters of a block away. They promptly walk into Specsavers (a little stalker on my behalf). I thought to myself what the hell are you going in there for.....
Which begs the question; do people have trouble finding their specs? I believe there are some stewards in NSW in desperate need of said specs but can't seem to find the bloody shop.

Anyway, maybe in the greater context it says something relating to my point. My point being; yes independent controlling bodys aka HRNSW can schedule races outside of the normal penalty for prizemoney but does this mean that the other states have to adhere to the different penalty HRNSW sets? Possibly rules three says so. But that rule 19 that I dug up somewhere says to me that despite independed state controlling bodys changing things around that HRA and the other states must apply penalties based on the normal prizemoney penalty. I'll go have a quick read of rule 3.1 etc.

[Greg Hando]

Yes that's what I thought, just want confirmation before I dig up a reply because its a new thread.

No worries
Just found it under Penrith's off again post no 84

[aussiebreno]

Thats not to say you are wrong with the short memory thing though!

[Greg Hando]

Nup
While on the rules it give's me the shit's when someone has a better than average 3yo and say win's 5 or 6 3yo races he come's out a c3 or higher my way of thinking he should come out a co by doing this it give's the owner more chance of a return some good 3yo's find it hard and don't adapt well to all age racing that well, if he come's out a c4 or 5 he might not well win another race .Were not talking about Lombo pocket Watch or the top liner's here just the good horses that might win 4 or 5 age race's
What are people's thought's on this

[aussiebreno]

Nup
While on the rules it give's me the shit's when someone has a better than average 3yo and say win's 5 or 6 3yo races he come's out a c3 or higher my way of thinking he should come out a co by doing this it give's the owner more chance of a return some good 3yo's find it hard and don't adapt well to all age racing that well, if he come's out a c4 or 5 he might not well win another race .Were not talking about Lombo pocket Watch or the top liner's here just the good horses that might win 4 or 5 age race's
What are people's thought's on this
Im a fence sitter on that one. I definetely see what you have written and see it as correct. But then on the other side of the coin we have the horses that kept getting beat by the good ones as a 3yo, then as a 4yo they still have to race against them again.

[The Big Mile]

Nup
While on the rules it give's me the shit's when someone has a better than average 3yo and say win's 5 or 6 3yo races he come's out a c3 or higher my way of thinking he should come out a co by doing this it give's the owner more chance of a return some good 3yo's find it hard and don't adapt well to all age racing that well, if he come's out a c4 or 5 he might not well win another race .Were not talking about Lombo pocket Watch or the top liner's here just the good horses that might win 4 or 5 age race's
What are people's thought's on this

Greg you are going to get many who flatly oppose 3yo coming back as C0's doesn't matter how many races they have won. To be honest if a 3yo has got to a 3C5 or so, they have probably got a good return anyway. Agree wholeheartedly about the adapting to open age racing.

Interesting to see Excel Stride squaring up against M0 horses tomorrow night. Don't see that too often. Madam Lily is a C9 M0 and she will struggle big time next season. It would be off to the breeding barn if she was mine because she would get lapped by M0 mares, let alone colts.

This is why there is a massive hole in 4yo racing and for mine too many very good 3yo get chucked to the wolves by walking straight into metro grade as a 4yo. some handle it, but I think the majority don't.

This actually goes back to the breeding debate too. There must be heaps of 3yo fillies in particular that are probably C0 or C1 whom in reality will not go further than a C3/C4. Owners will look at it and think they haven't got much hope of being economically viable to race, so they go to the breeding barn (with 2 free 3yo wins some handy enough mares will be worth sending on race form alone) or get dogged.

The 4yo year slams all sides of the equation. It is almost like a nothing year where most owners should cotton wool their 3yo until the back end of the 4yo season as there is no real point attacking country front age until they are more seasoned.

I was disappointed the ASBA Report didn't focus on this area more, because 4yo mare racing is very important overall and the leakage of mares out of the industry at this age must be unacceptably high.