Bond out

[KTQ]

I have no comment on this case but leading WA trainer Greg Bond has been disqualified for 12 months.

https://thewest.com.au/sport/horse-racing/leading-wa-trotting-trainer-greg-bond-cops-12-month-ban-ng-b88556390z

http://www.rwwa.com.au/home/industry/harness-stewards-inquiry-race-1-gloucester-park-2-december-2016-fifth-edition-nz-6286.html

[Danno]

Gee any trainer knows a horse can work ordinary during the week, as described in this case, and come out good as gold on race night...yes, you would be right in saying his best action may have been to scratch the horse and in hindsight that would be right.
Surely there is not an expectation he tells the world the horse worked ordinary in his interview, if you did that every time a horse worked ordinary during the week and then raced good on race night, you could be found guilty of what he has just been found guilty!!


Seems to be a hefty penalty for the size of the crime to me.

[KTQ]

I think it's more he said he'd betted on it when he deliberately left it out of first 4. He gave listeners the impression it'd go better than he knew it would.

Is a hefty penalty I agree

[strong persuader]

Gee any trainer knows a horse can work ordinary during the week, as described in this case, and come out good as gold on race night...yes, you would be right in saying his best action may have been to scratch the horse and in hindsight that would be right.
Surely there is not an expectation he tells the world the horse worked ordinary in his interview, if you did that every time a horse worked ordinary during the week and then raced good on race night, you could be found guilty of what he has just been found guilty!!


Seems to be a hefty penalty for the size of the crime to me.

It seems that the big issue was the betting that excluded Fifth Edition that sealed Bond's fate.

[Messenger]

It is definitely the misleading - confirmed by his (non) betting. Brenno is not going to be happy that punters must now be told (spoonfed) the absolute truth about track work (they can always say next to nothing - the old way)

It will end up being a NON penalty as his partner will simply take over (this is a massive loop hole in our industry as I have discussed in threads elsewhere)

[Fan of Jate]

But you dont tell the public that he is the best chance of winning from the stable on that particular night especially in a first start up from NZ and then leave him out of your own bets and then let a part owner know that the horse basically wasnt going to win that night. That is extremely misleading. Obviously the punting public liked his tip because it started favourite. The stewards are all over this type of activity. They seem to treat this type of offence more severely than others IMO as well. but you cant have it both ways, the charge was there, it was proven and he will pay the penalty. The Bonds have a lot of runners who generally are good horses so the public do back them but the stables activities in relation to information to the public cast a pall over how they operate. That stable is also very successful as the number of winners they have had this year is huge.

[KTQ]

They're investigating whether Skye can take over the partnership. She's suspended as well for the time being

[aussiebreno]

It is definitely the misleading - confirmed by his (non) betting. Brenno is not going to be happy that punters must now be told (spoonfed) the absolute truth about track work (they can always say next to nothing - the old way)

It will end up being a NON penalty as his partner will simply take over (this is a massive loop hole in our industry as I have discussed in threads elsewhere)
I would say deliberate mis-information with insider trading is different to the omission of publicly available information from a formguide.

If he wanted to bet he should have kept his mouth shut. Gareth Hall has done plenty on track interviews with drivers without them landing in trouble for what they say. Speaking publicly and advertising our sport can be done without getting yourself in a spot of bother.

[Messenger]

Just stirring Brendan :)

[Fan of Jate]

They did not have a runner tonight at GP.

[arlington]

They did not have a runner tonight at GP.

Because Skye is suspended as well(?) No stays pending appeals?

Just out of interest is this the same Greg Bond? https://thewest.com.au/business/finance/100m-payday-for-force-duo-ng-ya-114238

Before the convictions some WA betting forums were suggesting it was akin to the Chris Gleeson shenanigans. Can see where they're coming from.

The outcome of the other training partner's inquiry will be interesting. Has there been a training partnership pinged before? Would there be any mitigating circumstances that could see a partnership not be a partnership under the rules of harness racing? Do we have limited partnerships?

The NSW policy regarding transfer of trainer due to disqualification would cover partnerships?

In the instance where a trainer has been disqualified, HRNSW shall require that the following conditions be adhered to with respect to the transfer of horses:

a) Any horse(s) in the care of a disqualified trainer shall be transferred to a trainer who does not train from the same property.

b) The trainer receiving the horse(s) from a disqualified trainer shall, if required by HRNSW, provide evidence that there is no involvement from the previous trainer.

c) Any horse(s) transferred from a disqualified trainer shall be ineligible to race if during the term of the penalty it returns to the property from which it was originally trained, unless approval is granted by HRNSW.

d) If the horse(s) are in the ownership of the property owner, an exception to the above may apply to horse(s) owned by that person only, however any person currently disqualified shall not reside on that property.

e) If a disqualified trainer obtains a stay of proceedings from the Racing Appeals Tribunal, NSW Local Rule 120A, that in itself does not permit any horse trained by the disqualified trainer to be transferred without approval in accordance with this policy.

Time for national rules and more so penalties. If harness racing is to compete with sports betting e.g. an AFL player pinged in any state cops the same penalty. The punters, followers and participants know where EVERYONE stands or falls.

[teecee]

Refer to Post 1 of this thread. RWWA covers the situation here without HRNSW take on it.

[Messenger]

Thanks TC - I should have read the article thoroughly. I did not realize they were an 'official partnership' (Vic partnerships are too tricky/clever to commit) and so I am completely wrong - no loophole here.

[KTQ]

https://thewest.com.au/sport/horse-racing/skye-bond-told-she-cant-train-from-forrestdale-stable-ng-b885722880z

Skye will need to find a new training premises.

Also of interest in this article is the final couple lines. Mark Reed disqualified for 6 months for failing to submit a second urine sample.

None of this is showing on harness.org.au . Is WA a separate entity from the rest of Aus? Seems like every state does things differently, although some WA disqualifications appear on the site yet some, like the aforementioned, dont.

Update: Mark Reed report is uploaded to .org. Elliot and Bond isnt

[KTQ]

I should mention that these are posted on the RWWA site, but it's higgaldy piggaldy the way they're uploaded. Upload to one or both but not RWWA for this and harness for that and both for another.

Glen Elliot also is under investigation for Soho Wall Street, which seemed to grow a leg recently. ...

http://www.rwwa.com.au/home/industry/harness-stewards-inquiry-trainer-mr-glenn-elliott-soho-wall-street-6307.html

[KTQ]

Higgeldy piggeldy?

[Fan of Jate]

The article does'nt come up..!!! from post 14

[Messenger]

The article does'nt come up..!!! from post 14

Searched the site and found this (hope this works)

https://thewest.com.au/sport/horse-racing/skye-bond-told-she-cant-train-from-forrestdale-stable-ng-b88572288z

Oops I should have provided our own links:

http://www.harnesslink.com/International/Driver-Mark-Reed---disqualified

http://www.harnesslink.com/International/Bond-told-she-can-t-train-from-her-stable (just the West Australian story reprinted)