stallion choice

[nowuseeme]

i have a mare nowuseemenowudont by holmes hanover what would your thoughts be for stallion choice

[mightymo]

what type,size of mare is she?

Are you breeding to race or sell?

What is your budget?

[Flashing Red]

what type,size of mare is she?

Are you breeding to race or sell?

What is your budget?

Ditto. :)

Just looked her up - gee there is some old lines up close on her! :)

[Greg Hando]

I see you have a double up of Nibble Hanover on the dam's side i've alway's liked him as a sire just toss a coin on any sire's you like and breed to the one you like and can afford then let fate take over

[nowuseeme]

she is between 15.2 and15.3 good temperament.budget no worries.to sell or race not sure

[justdoit]

Go to Cullen once more, you should get a discount if you push hard enough.

good luck.

[triplev123]

Maternal Line Descendants for
Dottie Rosecroft (1945)



Dottie Hal 1960 (F U12 ) by Irish Hal - 2:16.0US [3]

Perette Hanover 1976 (F U12 ) by Sampson Hanover - 1:58.1US $219,604 [1]

Carlsbad Cam 1989 (M U12 ) by Cam Fella - 1:51.0US $1,124,482

Pert Dottie 1966 (F U12 ) by Sampson Hanover - 2:08.4US $4,198 [3]

Perna Hanover 1973 (F U12 ) by Tar Heel - 2:03.2US $21,884 [5]

Coal Harbor 1979 (M U12 ) by Albatross - 1:52.3US $465,620
Conquered Quest 1985 (F U12 ) by Sonsam - 1:52.4US $863,514 [1]

Gabrielle 1992 (F U12 ) by Dragons Lair - 1:51.0US $139,376 [2]

Open Plains 1999 (F U12 ) by Western Hanover - 1:54.4US $98,184
Won the West 2004 (G U12 ) by Western Hanover - 1:47.0US $3,544,024


Prize Sarnel 1981 (M U12 ) by Sonsam - 1:54.0US $95,142
Questmore 1986 (F U12 ) by Sonsam - 2:00.4US $3,500 [1]

Motivation 1992 (F U12 ) by Direct Scooter - 1:52.3US $300,847 [3]

Figure the Odds 2000 (F U12 ) by Artiscape - 1:51.1US $247,641
Good Vibrations 1999 (F U12 ) by Presidential Ball - 1:55.4US $67,180 [1]

Beach Boy Toy 2005 (G U12 ) by Artiscape - 1:51.1US $190,433

Xhilaration 2003 (F U12 ) by Western Hanover - 1:51.3US $235,969


Rossatross 1980 (M U12 ) by Albatross - T1:58.1US $16,637

Perta Hanover 1974 (F U12 ) by Tar Heel - . [1]

Lushkara 1979 (F U12 ) by Albatross - 1:54.3US $213,781 [4]

Camtastic 1985 (M U12 ) by Cam Fella - 1:49.3USTT $2,117,619
Loving Proof 1988 (F U12 ) by Cam Fella - 1:55.2US $107,402 [7]

Because I Said So 1993 (F U12 ) by Jate Lobell - . [2]

Ive Got Life 1998 (M U12 ) by Life Sign - 1:50.4US $442,006
Thou Shalt Not 2006 (F U12 ) by Real Desire - 1:52.1US $139,609

Bernies Buck 1995 (G U12 ) by Jate Lobell - 1:54.3US $69,448
Jated Love 2000 (F U12 ) by Jate Lobell - 1:53.3US $36,078 [1]

So Over 2008 (M U12 ) by Artiscape - 1:54.0US $35,469

Juliets Fate 1996 (F U12 ) by Jate Lobell - 1:50.1US $682,094 [3]

One Last Kiss 2007 (F U12 ) by Artsplace - 1:53.3US $150,917
Southwind Jason 2003 (M U12 ) by Artsplace - 1:52.0US $88,649
Southwind Jazmin 2008 (F U12 ) by Art Major - 1:52.3US $178,244

Proven Lover 2004 (M U12 ) by Real Desire - 1:49.4US $374,065
Return to Me 1999 (F U12 ) by Jate Lobell - 1:53.1US $104,393
Righteous Renee 2002 (F U12 ) by Western Ideal - 1:53.3US $163,393

Lush Limbaugh 1995 (F U12 ) by Presidential Ball - 1:52.2US $212,534 [1]

Yankee Lariat 2001 (M U12 ) by Western Hanover - 1:50.4US $421,560

Pure Drama 1991 (F U12 ) by Matts Scooter - Pacer $49,020 [2]

Matinee 1996 (F U12 ) by Abercrombie - . [2]

Cheyenne Adrienne 2002 (F U12 ) by Jate Lobell - 1:53.1US $128,614
Up Front Bethann 2005 (F U12 ) by Dragon Again - 1:51.1US $583,694

You Tell Gordy 2002 (G U12 ) by Cams Card Shark - 1:50.2US $216,098



Pinafore Hanover 1984 (F U12 ) by Bret Hanover - . [1]

Armbro Sarong 1996 (F U12 ) by Dragons Lair - . [1]

Boos Boy 2001 (G U12 ) by Cambest - 1:50.4US $299,264



Que Vero 1969 (F U12 ) by Sampson Hanover - 2:01.1US $120,581 [1]

Sammi Killean 1984 (F U12 ) by Samadhi - 1:59.3US $55,713 [1]

Sammies Cammi 1994 (F U12 ) by Camluck - 1:54.3US $171,299 [1]

Mary Artman 2003 (F U12 ) by Artsplace - 1:53.1US $125,026




Dottie Sampson 1958 (F U12 ) by Sampson Hanover - 2:11.3US $838 [1]

Power Baron 1971 (M U12 ) by Baron Hanover - 1:58.0US $224,298

Sampson Direct 1957 (M U12 ) by Sampson Hanover - 1:56.0US $137,486
Sister Dottie 1963 (F U12 ) by Sampson Hanover - [2]

Cream Ridge 1975 (F U12 ) by Knight Dream - [1]

Ridgelift 1988 (F U12 ) by Noodlum - 2:03.0 $8,422 [1]

Nowuseemenowudont 1997 (F U12 ) by Holmes Hanover - 1:58.8 $116,931 [1]

Nowuseeme 2004 (F U12 ) by Christian Cullen - 1:57.2 $287,324



Miss Dottie 1970 (F U12 ) by Knight Dream - 2:00.0TTUS $21,979 [1]

Brets Antique 1976 (F U12 ) by Bret Hanover - 2:01.0US $20,751 [2]

Energise 1981 (M U12 ) by Albatross - 1:53.4US $237,519
Thinking Aloud 1982 (M U12 ) by Albatross - q1:56.2US $93,024

[triplev123]

Bonus! Pretty bloody well apparently.
That's from Classic Families if it is any help. Some good ones in recent times, Won The West (1:47.0 & $3.5mil) etc.

[Sensibility]

Interesting to see that your mare's great grandam is a full sister to the sire of Direct Scooter so it might be interesting to go to a sire with Direct Scooter present in his paternal lineage like Mach Three, Somebeachsomewhere, Rocknroll Hanover, Rock n Roll Heaven, Courage Under Fire, etc, Rock N Roll Heaven has the same concept in his breeding - Artistic Vision's (his dam) great grandam is a full sister to No Nukes.
Being by Holmes Hanover some infusion of modern bloodlines and speed would be nice too - so you probably wouldn't want to see Meadow Skipper too close in the sire's pedigree, and you'd want the meadow skipper coming through a female in the sire's pedigree as it comes through a male line in your mare. From the ones I mentioned above Mach Three has him in the 3rd generation, Somebeachsomewhere in the 4th, Rocknroll Hanover in the 4th, Rock N Roll Heaven in the 5th, Courage Under Fire in the 4th - I'd go for Rock N Roll Heaven to get that more modern bloodline, and a great pedigree to match Australasian mares. Second choice - go back to Christian Cullen as he also carries Direct Scooter and it has been proven successful before.

[nowuseeme]

thanks for input.mare is already in foal to cullen was in foal early but slipped at 49 days,does getting back into old maid through stallion benefit

[mightymo]

I also think injecting speed into your mare would be a good thing.

I like the following:(besides the obvious in Christian Cullen)


Mach Three
Courage Under fire
American Ideal
Jeremes Jet

[eliteblood]

Some other stallions that should be considered are :-

Art Major ($12000) - the only sire in the world with 4 in 1:48, consistently leading sire in both hemispheres
Somebeachsomewhere ($13200) - considered by some as the best racehorse ever, oldest are yearlings
Rocknroll Hanover $12500) - good racehorse, very well bred, successful sire
Rock N Roll Heaven ($8800) - outstanding racehorse, very well bred, 1st year at stud

[mango]

Western Ideal at $13,750 i think is great value for money.

[triplev123]

I also think injecting speed into your mare would be a good thing.

I like the following:(besides the obvious in Christian Cullen)


Mach Three
Courage Under fire
American Ideal
Jeremes Jet

Couldn't agree more Mightymo...and I'd add Shadow Play.
All 5 of them were good gaited & had some wicked speed.