Gp2 Kilmore Cup on Thursday Sept 27, the eve of AFL GF eve holiday

[Messenger]

:confused:

For openers it is pretty weird that we have a public holiday (is it Victoria or only Melbourne?) for the day before AFL GF and it seems a massive risk/waste to be holding the time honoured Kilmore Cup the night before this holiday - a Thursday. Good luck with that Kilmore

[Yabbie]

:confused:

For openers it is pretty weird that we have a public holiday (is it Victoria or only Melbourne?) for the day before AFL GF and it seems a massive risk/waste to be holding the time honoured Kilmore Cup the night before this holiday - a Thursday. Good luck with that Kilmore


Not to mention the traffic heading out of town for a long weekend - another backward step in my opinion.
Can't wait to see what time the first race is - more than likely 5.30ish which makes it even more difficult to get to ....
Such a shame as the Kilmore Cup used to be one of the highlights of the season.

[gutwagon]

How about running it on the actual public holiday as a day meeting. As a standing start handicap over 2 miles and get all the top horses to run. They could have stallion parades and a huge crowd. Sorry I thought I was back in the nineteen hundreds.

[Messenger]

I agree Rick. They have a generous promotion on the day but I still fear they will struggle for a crowd apart from locals

Kilmore has thrown open the gates free for anyone who wears their AFL footy jumper and is giving away a $500 TAB betting voucher on every race via the racebook competition.

All patrons, those who pay at the gate and those who wear their footy jumper, will get a free drink voucher and a racebook, which contains their ticket for the $500 per race voucher.

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/kilmore-cup-afl-superstars-to-attend-cup-night/

[Richard prior]

Ridiculous having it on Thursday, I think Rick’s suggestion would be far better

[Messenger]

I can see why Love Ina Chevy is a late entry for the Cup - no super stars I am afraid (I had been thinking of going)

[Messenger]

Shadow Sax is now a late nom, so the field is improving - just need another 1 or 2 class horses to nom in the next hour

[Messenger]

Field out but no Shadow Sax or Love Ina Chevy - are late entries only considered if there are not sufficient initial entries?

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=KI270918&fromstate=vic#KIC27091801

The emergency and Bettermatch are only M0's.
Comeback pacer Bettermatch has won 11 of 13 but he has never raced futher than 1758m

[Bonnie]

Yes Kev. Late entries only receive a run if there are insufficient numbers to make up a field.However , the Kilmore Cup is Manual Field Selection so Shadow Sax and Luv In A Chevy would been been given a run under the MFS criteria . Looks as though they were withdrawn prior to acceptances.

[arlington]

Field out but no Shadow Sax or Love Ina Chevy - are late entries only considered if there are not sufficient initial entries?

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=KI270918&fromstate=vic#KIC27091801

The emergency and Bettermatch are only M0's.
Comeback pacer Bettermatch has won 11 of 13 but he has never raced futher than 1758m


Not sure if Manual Field selection overrides 'preference in field selection will be given to original nominations'. You have access to Harnesweb Kev. I would think if those two horses were withdrawn by connections they would be stood down?

[Bonnie]

I don't think the Stand Down rule applies if they are scratched prior to acceptance time. There is usually a $40 charge for a "look' if you withdraw your nomination prior to closure of acceptances. When you move into fields , then its stand down or vets etc if the horse is scratched. The Barrier draw for the Kilmore Cup is PBD/$L4 and that information for each horse is available on the Noms . Both of those horses would have high $L4 so maybe connections decided to pass .

[Dot]

Neither are stood down, I also thought manual field selection didn't take precedence over preference for existing over late moms so connections either withdrew before acceptances or there were sufficient nominations to make up the field from the earlier entries. Only the trainers or owners view of Harnessweb will tell you which.

Seems to be some talk about the very limited discretion used by the handicappers in allocating handicaps for the trotters cup.

[Messenger]

Not sure if Manual Field selection overrides 'preference in field selection will be given to original nominations'. You have access to Harnesweb Kev. I would think if those two horses were withdrawn by connections they would be stood down?

Yes Wayne, Harnessweb is how I knew about the late noms

[arlington]

Yes Wayne, Harnessweb is how I knew about the late noms

Yep Kev, I realised you had access to harnesweb, hence it wasn't a question.
On late noms and viewing stand down status. Pretty sure anyone registered for harnessweb can view but thinking about it more, if they are stood down it may not show until after the meeting is run i.e. horses are stood down for the various periods from midnight of the meeting date. A horse could scratch from tomorrow, and cop a stand down, but can be a runner in a race today.

On scratching without penalty prior to release of fields, my understanding is once you've entered as a late nom (acceptances extended) scratching penalties will apply from the original acceptance time, the same as all horses nominated. That would be reasonable as all noms could scratch with a $40 fee and no stand down prior to the extended acceptance time which could decimate field numbers.

[Messenger]

Love Ina Chevy cannot have been stood down for scratching as he is in on Saturday night

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX290918&fromstate=vic#MXC29091801

[Messenger]

Watching the Cup, I was reminded of Katie's recent post in another thread which suggested harness racing looks dull - sorry

[Messenger]

This excellent summary from Luke Humphreys says the crowd was good

http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia/Kima-in-boss-mode-

[Dot]

Watching the Cup, I was reminded of Katie's recent post in another thread which suggested harness racing looks dull - sorry

Whilst I'd often agree Kev, I couldn't for the Kilmore Cup, but perhaps I was more atune to the nuances, it was obvious Im The Boss was pulling in front and that had to raise the question of whether he'd hold on or be swamped, but hold on he did and easily in the end. Was also thinking Kima was heading towards a great ID series, with Im The Boss and Wrappers Delight, albeit likely with sore arms!

[Messenger]

I think having a 'stable' to follow would make it more interesting

[Dot]

Probably true for all pursuits Kev, but ones eye for the nuances of a sport regardless of who they follow is probably what makes it the most interesting. Perhaps it's time you put your hand up for a share in one Kev, or spent a little time in a stable helping out, most would be grateful for a little help, may pique your interest a little more. But as I said earlier it is difficult for harness racing to stand out like it once did in our now very fast paced technicolor digital world.

[Messenger]

Do you think my interest needs piquing LOL
Harness racing gets enough of my time already but I wouldn't mind spending more time around horses
I wouldn't rule out getting a broodmare one day but I am probably just as likely to buy a paddock for a couple of Clydesdales

[Dot]

I think having a 'stable' to follow would make it more interesting

Well I guess I took this literally Kev

Nothing wrong with Clydesdales, some of my best friends have Clydesdales, but must say I prefer something a little closer to the ground and a whole lot faster!

[Messenger]

Well I guess I took this literally Kev



Fair enough but I was really suggesting the fact that the Aiken stable is your stable may have made the Cup more interesting for you

[Dot]

Actually Kev I think I watch the features, and always have, with equal interest regardless of which stables are involved. After all I've been watching them for far longer then I've had a horse in someone else's stable. It's the run of the mill races with increasingly small fields that I'm finding increasingly dull to watch.

[Showgrounds]

Just watched the replay of the Kilmore Cup.

Still trying not to yawn!

[Messenger]

I agree, I am far more motivated to watch feature races - I guess that is to be expected (or else admin may as well make every race the same stakes)
Sometimes I find them disappointing (mile races are most guilty of this) and sometimes a C0 can turn out to be a cracker of a race (and the origin of future feature race star)