Stewart Stable Remarkable

[Messenger]

$1.04 $1.04 $1.10 $1.30 $1.80 $1.10 $1.20 $1.20 $1.60 $1.10 $2.00 $1.10 $2.20 $1.40 $1.80 $1.60 $4.20 $1.10 $1.10 $1.50 $1.50 $3.60 $1.40

That is the starting price of Emma Stewart's runners for April in Victoria so far

She has won 19 out of 23
(Bold type means won)

82.6% Success Rate
Why is it not all over the sports pages and media as WORLD CHAMPION eclipsing stuff
(She finished off March with 6 of her last 9 runners all winners)

While researching this I also noticed how a few trainers are going gang-busters this month.

Trying not to be a negative Nellie I must say I also wondered whether the Integrity Department follow these trends

[Messenger]

I had someone send me this link to last Saturday's trials which shows she is dominating them as a driver too!

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/trials/trial-results/?trialId=18822

[Messenger]

With the APG heats today, the stable had multiple runners in the same race for the first time this month, as you cannot win the same race twice, I am now changing the Success Rate defiinition to Races Won/Races Contested

26 days into April the Stewart stable has now

Won 26 races of the 35 they have contested

= 74.2 %

(and 35 races is not a small sample)

[Messenger]

PP is highly suspicious of Emma's strike rate
Drawing attention to the fact that in the last 14 days she has won 27 of 38 races in Victoria
That is a 71% strike rate
He lists them to illustrate that she has won every major race at every track in that period
(see attached snip)
He says that these numbers are unheard of anywhere in the world

If people are skeptical of these results, it is important to address the issue as it is of utmost importance that the public have confidence that the industry is clean

In a recent American interview that I posted (post 420)

https://www.harnessracingforum.com/showthread.php?12374-Industry-Indicators-Good-Bad-amp-Ugly/page42

Fred suggests the recent FBI investigations are the only way to ensure a clean industry as drug testing cannot stay ahead of the latest drugs

Stewards on the ground/in stables would have to be good for stables like the Stewart stable too - it would put an end to this type of talk

[Showgrounds]

Wind the dial in the Tardis back to anytime between 1980 and 1990 and you would find Bob and Vinny Knight would be envious of that record. More to the point they would be wondering what they were doing wrong.

[Messenger]

Emma Stewart actually had 15 fillies in the Breeders Crown 3yo heats at Bendigo tonight. Miscellaneous trainers had the other 26
Emma Stewart qualified 15/15
The others only 9/26

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=BN041122

[Messenger]

Thanks to the above
Emma Stewart has 9 of the 12 runners in the 3yo fillies 1st Semi and 6 of the 12 in the 2nd Semi

She also has 6 of the 12 in the 2yo colts 1st Semi

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX121122

[Messenger]

at a Metro track where they have a strong racing industry
- a trainer wins 8 of the 9 races they contest

I am going to ignore Tassie as it is not a strong industry
Has Mark Purdon possibly done it in NZ?
Gallops anyone?

ps We can disregard the number of runners the stable had as they only needed their favourite each time

(I will eventually roll this into the Stewart Stable Remarkable thread)

[Messenger]

Michael Howard reports

Stewart’s eight victories matched her stable’s feat in the 2018 Vicbred Super Series semi-finals and was only one win shy of the national record, the unprecedented mark she set in Launceston in April.

The trainer has also recorded seven wins at single meetings on four occasions and six wins on five occasions, achievements that have her on course for an extraordinary eighth successive state and metropolitan premiership sweep.

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/ravishing-eight-breeders-crown-wins-sets-stewart-further-apart/

It would seem as though she is the only one to have done it (before)

[Adaptor]

at a Metro track where they have a strong racing industry
- a trainer wins 8 of the 9 races they contest

I am going to ignore Tassie as it is not a strong industry
Has Mark Purdon possibly done it in NZ?
Gallops anyone?

ps We can disregard the number of runners the stable had as they only needed their favourite each time

(I will eventually roll this into the Stewart Stable Remarkable thread)


I'll do my best to find exact figures, but RON BURKE has dominated USA training stats for many years. THis year his stats are 4 times that of the next trainer. He trains hundreds in several states at the same time,Trainers by Current Year Earnings
Name Wins Earnings
Ron J Burke 942 $20,706,900
Tony P Alagna 206 $8,561,733
Ake Svanstedt 119 $6,752,946
Erv M Miller 279 $6,185,927
Marcus M Melander 79 $4,880,822
Nancy C Takter 88 $4,287,001
Jennifer L Bongiorno 233 $4,246,804
Jeff W Cullipher 221 $4,098,636
Noel M Daley 89 $3,739,724
Virgil V Morgan Jr 194 $3,675,874

[Messenger]

Good lead Noel

This is the best I found for him

Even by his lofty standards, Friday at Hollywood Casino at The Meadows was a remarkable day for trainer Ron Burke: seven wins, including a sweep of the day's $15,400 co-features with Seeyou At Thebeach and In Rock We Trust. Burke lost only one race in which his horse or horses went to post.

https://www.drf.com/news/meadows-burke-brigade-connects-friday-seven-bagger

[Messenger]

If you look at the records of the Stewart stable's 7 Semi winners from last night you discover

The 4 Two Year Olds have won 20/21 or 95%

The 3 Three Year Olds have won 23/33 or 70%

Combined the 7 horses have won 43/54 or 80%

* only starts for the Stewart stable have been used

[Messenger]

Good to see this one beat today - we cannot have ordinary NZ performers come across and win 5 in a row

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MH161122#MHC16112201

[Messenger]

It was an incredible effort for the Stewart stable to win 5 Pacing Crowns and 1 Trotting last night

PP chooses to label it a night of shame for Vic (he wouldn't if they were Queenslanders) and although I know their strike rate would see them banned from some American tracks, there is absolutely no evidence that they are cheating

PP makes himself look stupid when he says for the 1 Pacing Crown in which they were beaten
"I suspect that someone paid someone some serious money to give Jack's horse the inside draw"
It was a telecast draw during last Saturday's racing and was viewed by hundreds

[Bonnie]

As you said Kevin his assertion is completely erroneous and should be retracted. Bill ( golden fingers ) stepped up and drew Barrier 2 for all to see.
I drew 7 for Perfect In Pink ! She didn’t let me down last night with an impressive run for 3rd.

[Messenger]

Yes, Perfect In Pink's finish was a real eye-catcher

[Messenger]

The depth of the stable's juveniles is becoming ridiculous
We know that they dominated the Crowns last Saturday and tonight we see 2yo Joyful have her first start for the stable and win
Also at Melton tonight 3yo's Wheres The Gold and Champagne Delight were both having their second start for the stable and are both now 2/2

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX251122

[Messenger]

They're even taking talent away from the Luke/Belinda McCarthy stable
Hard to believe Don Lou went around at $2.25 at Ballarat tonight
He ran 4th to Ripp in the Gp1 APG Final 6mths ago!
He won by 44m after the fav broke under pressure and dismantled the field

His pedigree also makes him a good addition to the stable
His dam is a half sister to a couple of millionaires and half millionaires
(sometimes after 200 starts but millionaires just the same)

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=BA011222#BAC01122201

[Messenger]

Would that be a record?
A trainer training 7 of the 9 Inter heats
Without looking at the records, I imagine it has to be as it requires 3 different contenders to win a heat
Maybe someone like the Purdon's could have had 2 horses go through undefeated for 6 winners but that would be it

[Messenger]

How bad is my memory
Luke/Belinda McCarthy did it last year!
7 heat wins (but lost the Final on protest)

[Messenger]

Tonight they won all 4 heats of the 3yo fillies Vicbred
What is it about the girls?
(they did not win any of the C&G's)

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=KI151222

[Messenger]

As a result of the above they have 66.66% of the field for the Gp1 3yo Fillies. (after the emerg comes out)
Can you imagine that happening in the gallops!
They also have 50% of the field in the Gp1 2yo Fillies

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX311222

[Messenger]

R1 No1 Melton Friday

Not your typical horse to be joining the stable

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX200123#MXC20012306

[Yabbie]

R1 No1 Melton Friday

Not your typical horse to be joining the stable

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX200123#MXC20012306

I would suggest it is an ownership change .... and therefore new trainer

[Messenger]

Yes, it is an ownership change but what have they seen in him?
If he goes up the $2.60 suggested, remember he started $126 at his last start and in both his starts he has looked very slow away

[Mytwobobsworth]

Are you sure its an ownership change? What are the 2 owners names?

[Bonnie]

I don’t think it’s an ownership change. Owners first names are Danny and Dominic so looks like it was named , maybe as a yearling by the current ownership.

[Messenger]

Great observation Anne
I just realized I never named the horse - Dom Dan

[Messenger]

The markets are finally up and Dom Dan is $1.95
I have watched his Ballarat trial win on Jan 4 and he started well enough and had a lovely sit on the leader

[Messenger]

If he goes up the $2.60 suggested, remember he started $126 at his last start and in both his starts he has looked very slow away

Got that one right - he started $1.50 on the tote!

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX200123#MXC20012306

[Messenger]

Do we want to take him on again at Hamilton today in R1
or will the Stewart stable have improved him, they will want to have, even though this is a much weaker race
He is $1.40 again !
I will have an interest on Barely A Glimpse

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=HM160223#HMC16022307

ps I could not find where you view Horsham trials to check out the first starter

[Messenger]

Thanks to Horsham for getting back to me straight away. They had no idea that their trials have not been uploaded for 3yrs and will be promptly looking into fixing this

[Messenger]

Do we want to take him on again at Hamilton today in R1
or will the Stewart stable have improved him, they will want to have, even though this is a much weaker race
He is $1.40 again !
I will have an interest on Barely A Glimpse

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=HM160223#HMC16022307

ps I could not find where you view Horsham trials to check out the first starter

Right again but I do not know how you find the winner

[gutwagon]

They have taken a team to NSW for the big races. They never seem to go as well away from Vic. Lot of talk on twitter that the retaining barn could be effecting how well their horses run. I did notice CR seemed to be most effected. Could be something in that !

[Messenger]

I don't know this time Rick, I think the talk may be a bit scurrilous, CR did break 1.50

[aussiebreno]

Also a 2hr delay could have put horses off

[Theoldfox]

You noted the other runners went well. I'm not one to usually bat for the tonkin/stewart stable but the comments about the retention barn are unfair.
We need to remember the horses were floated up a couple of days before in the heat, which takes all day.....a loooong trip. Then put in unfamiliar surroundings (he is still a stallion) and raced at 11pm. We just need to consider that some horses cope with the upheaval better than others. They aren't machines, it's not like taking a drag car on a trailer to race interstate. Given the times he ran at Melton, I would say he performed below his best.


They have taken a team to NSW for the big races. They never seem to go as well away from Vic. Lot of talk on twitter that the retaining barn could be effecting how well their horses run. I did notice CR seemed to be most effected. Could be something in that !

[Messenger]

You don't see this too often - one runner in a race winning at $8. That is what they call a longshot

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MH140823#MHC14082301

[Messenger]

Gawn has a good horses record 8 starts - 3 wins + 5 seconds But I really think he will test the Stewart stables horsemanship
I don't think he is a genuine trier

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=BA180823#BAC18082301

[Messenger]

9 Semis to Emma and Clayton.
She did have 34 runners - most stables do not have 34 horses much less 34 good enough to make a Vicbred Semi
She only had 1 runner in the 4yo C&G's Semis so that was at least 1 race she was not going to win
So 9/11

Not unexpected as I think she has won at least 6 semis for the last few years

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX090923#MXM09092312

[trish]

Anyone, any opinions on the latest Victorians pre race IV situation?
Or are we hoping it will just go away?
Just listened to Gareth & at least he is tying to do something!!

[Messenger]

I guess we are all just waiting to see what becomes of it.

[aussiebreno]

The best thing is you can go to Stewart Tonkin facebook and see their bullshit excuse post and see who likes it to know who are sympathisers and thus also playing a big part in holding the industry back from ever being respected by the general public.

[trish]

The best thing is you can go to Stewart Tonkin facebook and see their bullshit excuse post and see who likes it to know who are sympathisers and thus also playing a big part in holding the industry back from ever being respected by the general public.

As far as the industry being respected by the general public
Is concerned , I think that is irretrievable from a long time ago.

[Messenger]

What comes of it we will have to see. Admitting breaking a rule that a trainer would know as sure as they know that you cannot drive through a red light - requires a bit of explaining IMO if you are interested in be respected but we do not know for sure whether Emma is (assuming she is the author as she is listed as the trainer) It may come out at a later date and it is highly likely that they would have received advice as to what to say at this point
It is not surprising to see stable owners supporting the stable, it is their team after all

[Messenger]

https://www.google.com/search?q=Hartmann%27s+drip+for+horses&oq=Hartmann%27s+drip+for+horses&aqs=chrome..69i57j33i160l2.12504j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&bshm=rimc/1

[Showgrounds]

Interesting that this is given before the race as it reads, in my opinion, as it would be more beneficial after the race.

As a recipient of saline infusions every four weeks it could be that there was more being infused than just what it says on the label. The purpose of the Hartman's would primarily to keep the veins open and assist other substances travel through the blood stream.

But this is just an innocent mistake. Emma says so.

[Mighty Atom]

Interesting that this is given before the race as it reads, in my opinion, as it would be more beneficial after the race.

As a recipient of saline infusions every four weeks it could be that there was more being infused than just what it says on the label. The purpose of the Hartman's would primarily to keep the veins open and assist other substances travel through the blood stream.

But this is just an innocent mistake. Emma says so.

Agree Trevor, Hartmann's Solution has been around for donkey years. They were using it 40 years ago. Considering the size of a horse one pack would do absolutely nothing it is what might be infused with it that makes the difference.

[Showgrounds]

Brad Reid comes out swinging, and lands every punch.

https://harnesslink.com/new-zealand/when-ignorance-is-no-longer-bliss/

Says all that everybody, except what alleged journalists, are thinking and highlights why our sport is flushing itself down the dunny.

[trish]

Brad Reid comes out swinging, and lands every punch.

https://harnesslink.com/new-zealand/when-ignorance-is-no-longer-bliss/

Says all that everybody, except what alleged journalists, are thinking and highlights why our sport is flushing itself down the dunny.

I think its already hit the sewerage treatment works.

[Showgrounds]

I think its already hit the sewerage treatment works.

Well and truly within insiders of the sport, not so much those on the periphery. Brad Reid has stood up to be counted whereas everybody from the HRV Chairman down do not appear to want anything known about the case.

[Messenger]

Some quotes

“It’s a dreadful look for the sport when our leading trainers are breaking rules everyone knows about. It’s not as if these rules have just come out, they have been around for a long time,” Butt said while talking to Gareth Hall on SEN Track Radio.

“It was a clear breach and is not a good look and casts a pool of doubt over their success on Saturday night. The authorities will deal with it in the appropriate manner.

“But I’m disappointed in the media too, it’s been brushed under the carpet by just about everybody. If this had happened in galloping it would be headline news. It’s not a good look and it doesn’t shine a good light on the stable,” he said.

Are industry participants meant to simply accept the apology as meaning this is the first time the rule has been breached? Or simply the first time Stewart has been caught?

Can you imagine an athlete or high performance coach in another sport being caught red handed breaching a fundamental rule the weekend it had achieved remarkable success, yet only having their highlight reels dished out for five days while the media ignore the elephant in the room? It wouldn’t happen.

Then when the media do decide to get involved, they simply regurgitate the information provided by the alleged offender and applaud them for being transparent and forthcoming. It’s laughable.

The route chosen by the gatekeepers of the sport, that being the mainstream media, further mars public confidence in harness racing and creates the perception of a coordinated effort to paint Australia’s leading stable in a favourable light.

https://harnesslink.com/new-zealand/when-ignorance-is-no-longer-bliss/

It took a NZer to shine a light on it

[Danno]

I think it's reasonably fair to think this "mistake" has been made many times since the rule was introduced and I feel for the many people who may have been disadvantaged by that in many Group races during this time.

I would not like to be one of them, imagine the questions they are asking themselves now?

Time for someone to do something for the innocent victims.

[Messenger]

And sadly, it will receive very little penalty.
The integrity of the whole industry is also being questioned as it is evident that what would have been lead story if it was the gallops has been totally downplayed by authorities/payed media
Will the stable in question be visited on a weekly basis for the foreseeable future in order to restore some confidence in the industry?

[aussiebreno]

And sadly, it will receive very little penalty.
The integrity of the whole industry is also being questioned as it is evident that what would have been lead story if it was the gallops has been totally downplayed by authorities/payed media
Will the stable in question be visited on a weekly basis for the foreseeable future in order to restore some confidence in the industry?
Are we sure about that? They do a good job of keeping things quiet

[Messenger]

Are we sure about that? They do a good job of keeping things quiet

I think so. If the Melbourne Cup winning stable the next week were found to have one of their horses on a drip within 24hrs of racing, I reckon it would make the newspapers

One thing they wouldn't be doing - is continuing to have their paid media promote the stable and paid employees liking the stable's explanation

[Danno]

I think so. If the Melbourne Cup winning stable the next week were found to have one of their horses on a drip within 24hrs of racing, I reckon it would make the newspapers

One thing they wouldn't be doing - is continuing to have their paid media promote the stable and paid employees liking the stable's explanation

I will keep banging the drum for the victims, all the other stuff is fluff and powdering over the cracks, what happens for the victims? There appears to be many given what has been stated/aired so far.

[Messenger]

The problem is Dan, that unless they have proof to disqualify any Stewart earners, nobody is going to be classed as a victim and thus entitled (legally) to compensation

[Messenger]

You can find on Adam Hamilton's twitter page that long time owner and sponsor Domenico Martello has pulled all his sponsorship over this

[gutwagon]

The biggest problem is the lack of information coming from HRV. Were the horses swabbed and is the content of the drips being analyzed ?
The participants want a level playing field, around the same time a small time NSW trainer was caught administering a substance into a horses mouth via a syringe on route to the track, they have been stood down until the inquiry is concluded. I know it's a different state but it shows a more serious approach is being taken by that state !

[Showgrounds]

The biggest problem is the lack of information coming from HRV. Were the horses swabbed and is the content of the drips being analyzed ?
The participants want a level playing field, around the same time a small time NSW trainer was caught administering a substance into a horses mouth via a syringe on route to the track, they have been stood down until the inquiry is concluded. I know it's a different state but it shows a more serious approach is being taken by that state !

Exactly. They made an announcement, the announcement being "We have nothing more to say until we have something to say". Which, so far, is nothing at all.

[Messenger]

I think I will email the CEO to say that it is coming across as a cover up
He won't answer any but I am pretty sure they are arriving
Not that it matters but I think the timing of this catch has them worried about bad publicity following the Eureka and Vicbred Finals and with the Vic Cup on our doorstep

[Messenger]

I didn't get a bounce back from the trots.com address but I did for this following one - how can I stop this from being treated as spam???????????

[aussiebreno]

The biggest problem is the lack of information coming from HRV. Were the horses swabbed and is the content of the drips being analyzed ?
The participants want a level playing field, around the same time a small time NSW trainer was caught administering a substance into a horses mouth via a syringe on route to the track, they have been stood down until the inquiry is concluded. I know it's a different state but it shows a more serious approach is being taken by that state !
I wonder if its more to do with the state or the size of trainer though.

[trish]

A couple of interesting questions on PP this morning.

[Messenger]

Yes, PP asking how the swabs from Act Now and Show Me Heaven were tested and cleared in under a week.
He also asked seeing as though this breach was captured on the day of the Vicbred Finals - were the 30 horses all set to run that night, tested too?

[Messenger]

Unbelievable results for the stable

Win the Derby, Quinellas it and has 5 of the first 6

Win the Vic Cup

Win the Oaks, in fact gets the first 5 across the line

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX141023

[Messenger]

and I think Susan Is Her Name going amiss a couple of weeks ago very likely cost them the Trotters Oaks

[Messenger]

Where is the Stewart Stable tonight?
It makes sense for a stable to have some time off - it's just that we don't often see it

[Mighty Atom]

Emma Stewart stable won 8 out of 10 Victoria's answer to Ben Yole what a joke Victorian/Tasmanian harness racing is. Whatever you may say about Jason Grimson he is a man of conviction not afraid to tackle big races outside of his state particularly NZ while those other two sit on their dunghill dominating

[Messenger]

Rod, I don't think you can accuse the stable of not plotting the best program for their horses. You have to remember that most of their topliners are juveniles and you can only target so many big races with them

[aussiebreno]

Rod, I don't think you can accuse the stable of not plotting the best program for their horses. You have to remember that most of their topliners are juveniles and you can only target so many big races with them

Yeah this. Their dominance has been largely restricted to 2yo and 3yo racing. With Vicbred, Breeders Crown, Oaks/Derby there is no incentive to travel. Travelled the 4yos and Chariots of Fire record is strong and won a Rising Sun with Ladies In Red. They have 'struggled' with older horses with most being stuck to Country Cups class. This is evidenced with their Vic Cup and Hunter Cup record, finally only breaking through this year with Act Now and Honolua Bay. Those two not really travelled yet - but both had long stints without racing in the past 12 months so not like they've been racing much in Vic either.

Older horses that were GC horses were Safari who came along early in the piece before this dominance, Restrepo who was probably just a length or two off the very best but did go to a Miracle Mile and Perth ID, Guaranteed who went to a Miracle Mile but probably never hit his best again after that and Philadelphia Man who probably isn't in their top 20 horses but struck an easy ID series in WA winning 2x heats and won a Blacks a Fake in QLD. They have been happy to travel Mach Dan to Syd and QLD. I'm not really sure what horse and when they should have travelled more?

[Messenger]

And you have to admit Rod - they travel more than most WA stables

[Mighty Atom]

And you have to admit Rod - they travel more than most WA stables

That may be so Kev but you have to remember travelling to Sydney from Melbourne is just up the road compared to the distances WA horses have to traverse to get to Melbourne or Sydney let alone Brisbane.

Forgot to add WA horses travelling to Melbourne or Sydney always receive the visitors draw who needs it.

[Showgrounds]

Breaking news. Queen Emma's crown has just fallen off. Six-months disqualification.

https://integrity.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/hrv-stewards-inquiry-ms-emma-stewart/

[trish]

Thats all well a crown has fallen but why was this not sorted before the breeder's crown?
IMO , I believe things like this turn folk off harness racing & with good reason.
I know how I would feel if I had a horse in the breeders crown & was beaten by this sort of thing being sorted after the event.

[Messenger]

Breaking news. Queen Emma's crown has just fallen off. Six-months disqualification.

https://integrity.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/hrv-stewards-inquiry-ms-emma-stewart/

Likely to drag out with an appeal but maybe Clayton will just take over - the advantage of not training as a partnership

[trish]

Likely to drag out with an appeal but maybe Clayton will just take over - the advantage of not training as a partnership

We have seen that before on many occasions.
Terrific isn't it!!!@

[trish]

The heading of this thread does not make sense to me.

[Messenger]

The heading of this thread is one of my best!

Remarkable: worthy of attention

[trish]

Smarty pants, very funny.

[trish]

How things have changed, in my day 1st offence was 12 mths.

[trish]

Christ , I could say so much but I think it could get me into big trouble. Hahaha.

[Messenger]

6 gummies a day

[gutwagon]

I can't see any reason for her to appeal , she pleaded guilty to all 3 charges and got a very light sentence !

[Messenger]

Maybe they are inspired by the old Douglas/Tormey case that appealed and appealed until it was all dropped

[aussiebreno]

Maybe they are inspired by the old Douglas/Tormey case that appealed and appealed until it was all dropped

If Emma is DQ from Trainers State Premiership guess who wins it? :p

[Messenger]

Julie Douglas (I must look for her at the trots one day)
Why do I follow the harness - it is bloody corrupt
The Showgrounds has a lot to answer for - all us impressionable kids that it seduced

ps Hey Trish, I think Brendan is on the gummies too

[Showgrounds]

Good thing you used "The" as a prefix Kev!

It is a strange world we live in, isn't it?

[trish]

Those gummies look good. No not for me.

[Messenger]

For those who have never seen Julie Douglas

https://www.google.com/search?q=julie+douglas+harness+racing&oq=Julie+Douglas+&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBwgCEAAYgAQyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQAB iABDIHCAIQABiABDIHCAMQABiABDIHCAQQABiABDIHCAUQABiA BDIHCAYQABiABDIHCAcQABiABDIHCAgQABiABDIHCAkQABiABN IBCjExMTQ0ajBqMTWoAgCwAgA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:0f7ba6e9,vid:yjocAuWZh6A,st:0

Our leading trainer works full time at a flatbread factory but I am sure she is the trainer not Glenn

[Messenger]

I heard my good mate Steve Cleve has had to shut down the Stewart suspension discussion on the Harness Racing Industry facebook page as it was boiling
I would appreciate any follower of the page, keeping us posted as the sensitive one banned me LOL

[Messenger]

PP is making it sound like Emma may have some hope for her appeal over penalty as the finding does not state what she injected. She is claiming it was only saline (Hartmann's drips actually contain more than just saline) and has already been successful in getting a Stay. PP is saying that she cannot face an amended charge on appeal so the stewards have slipped up

[Yabbie]

I heard my good mate Steve Cleve has had to shut down the Stewart suspension discussion on the Harness Racing Industry facebook page as it was boiling
I would appreciate any follower of the page, keeping us posted as the sensitive one banned me LOL

I don’t think there was a post at all. Not that I can see anyway
There were many comments on the National TrotGuide page

[Yabbie]

PP is making it sound like Emma may have some hope for her appeal over penalty as the finding does not state what she injected. She is claiming it was only saline (Hartmann's drips actually contain more than just saline) and has already been successful in getting a Stay. PP is saying that she cannot face an amended charge on appeal so the stewards have slipped up

I’m not sure that has any bearing. The rule clearly states any injection and does not have to specify what it is. I guess it depends on evidence given At the hearing

[Messenger]

I don’t think there was a post at all. Not that I can see anyway
There were many comments on the National TrotGuide page
He likely deleted the whole thread

[Messenger]

I’m not sure that has any bearing. The rule clearly states any injection and does not have to specify what it is. I guess it depends on evidence given At the hearing

It could have a bearing on penalty as HRV cannot introduce new charge/evidence to say that it contained more than just saline

[Messenger]

I don’t think there was a post at all. Not that I can see anyway
There were many comments on the National TrotGuide page

I was sent this and I am thinking it was AHRI

[Bonnie]

The comments on the AHRI site regarding one particular decision were disgusting, repulsive and abhorrent. These participants are doing the Industry more harm than good. Scrolling through the comments , I came across a post directed at me. Apparently , we are to blame for some people’s lack of success because we breed good horses and they can’t compete ! Some are breeders/ trainers who race in the $4,500 / $6,000 races and rarely win. I say to them ‘ enjoy what you do, my horses are my passion ‘ .However , horses trained by Emma Stewart never compete in their space and she cannot be held responsible for their results. It’s the Tall Poppy Syndrome where it’s easy pickings to blame others for your own shortcomings.

[aussiebreno]

The comments on the AHRI site regarding one particular decision were disgusting, repulsive and abhorrent. These participants are doing the Industry more harm than good. Scrolling through the comments , I came across a post directed at me. Apparently , we are to blame for some people’s lack of success because we breed good horses and they can’t compete ! Some are breeders/ trainers who race in the $4,500 / $6,000 races and rarely win. I say to them ‘ enjoy what you do, my horses are my passion ‘ .However , horses trained by Emma Stewart never compete in their space and she cannot be held responsible for their results. It’s the Tall Poppy Syndrome where it’s easy pickings to blame others for your own shortcomings.
Emma Stewart pleaded guilty to administering an injection into a horse within 1 clear day of racing. Not once but twice and has now been found guilty. I believe the stay is only so she can appeal severity rather than guilt but happy to be corrected if wrong.

1-10 How much do you value clean, fair, level racing? 1 who gives a toss, 10 want 100% clean, fair, level racing.

Will you be changing trainers given this breach to clean, fair, level racing?

If not, why not? Where is the line? Or is there no line?

This isn't taking anything away from your breeding, I have mentioned in this very thread Stewart has the best bred horses, and your breeding operation is a large part of that. But I think the above questions are fair to ask.

[Messenger]

?????????????
Has Emma dropped her appeal?
I don't really think so
BUT
if you do a licensee search on Harnessweb

There is no such licensee

[Jasper]

Ladies In Red now trained by C R Tonkin.

[Messenger]

Anne can choose to reply or not reply, she may choose to pm Brendan

But I have reinstated Brendan's post 103 as I may have been a little heavy-handed in deleting it

[trish]

Fair enough Kev.

[gutwagon]

Going back to Emma's statement, she basically admits to not knowing or forgetting the rules ! I'm just an owner breeder and I know that rule and if I'm unsure I check. To me this indicates that this could have been a regular practice at the stable. Only a fool would believe this only happened that one day that the stewards turned up. Just my opinion. Do others think this way. I'm also very surprised that C Tonkin can still train horses. Integrity is not the main aim of the board IMO.

I'm now considering my future in the industry...

[Mighty Atom]

Going back to Emma's statement, she basically admits to not knowing or forgetting the rules ! I'm just an owner breeder and I know that rule and if I'm unsure I check. To me this indicates that this could have been a regular practice at the stable. Only a fool would believe this only happened that one day that the stewards turned up. Just my opinion. Do others think this way. I'm also very surprised that C Tonkin can still train horses. Integrity is not the main aim of the board IMO.

I'm now considering my future in the industry...


It's alarming to witness a single stable consistently dominating the horseracing scene for an extended period. It raises questions about whether fair practices are being followed. Moreover, it's essential to keep an eye on the future performance of C Tonkin-trained horses and observe if their success continues. It's in the best interest of the sport to ensure a level playing field and maintain integrity. interesting to see if they can maintain their success or if other stables will start to catch up.

[Messenger]

Going back to Emma's statement, she basically admits to not knowing or forgetting the rules ! I'm just an owner breeder and I know that rule and if I'm unsure I check. To me this indicates that this could have been a regular practice at the stable. Only a fool would believe this only happened that one day that the stewards turned up. Just my opinion. Do others think this way. I'm also very surprised that C Tonkin can still train horses. Integrity is not the main aim of the board IMO.

I'm now considering my future in the industry...

Clayton has been training the odd one of theirs for years Rick
eg Ride High - Emma had him as a 3yo but when he came back from injury he was in Clayton's name

I would think that more people than not, think that the Maryborough eve offence is unlikely a one off as "she did not know the rules"

If Clayton had not bothered to get his license back and left it all to Emma, it could have been awkward for him applying for it now IF it is true that he refused stewards entry to their property on Breeders Crown day. I believe that getting your license back after disqualification requires an application and is not necessarily automatic

[gutwagon]

Kevin, they call themselves "Tonkin Stewart racing" , we all know they were co trainers but the board didn't make them declare that. People were asking why ? The media always referred to them as co trainers. If she is disqualified most people in my opinion would expect him to also be disqualified . This is the exact reason people wanted them classed as co trainers all along . It just stinks and at a time our industry can't afford this bad look.

[Messenger]

Rick, I do not think anyone has banged on about training 'partnerships' than me!

[gutwagon]

HRV has stopped 21 of the Stewart trained horses being transferred to C Tonkin. I was certain they had changed the rules to stop disqualified trainers just transferring horses to their partner, I'm surprised they even tried but as we are now learning they have very little knowledge of the rules !

[Messenger]

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/hrv-stewards-reject-stewart-tonkin-stable-transfer/

Harness Racing Victoria has rejected Emma Stewart’s transfer of horses to partner Clayton Tonkin.

[Messenger]

I can envisage the Stewart stable working around the disqualification once the penalty is finalized. I cannot see how they can stop Clayton from putting all their new season 2yo's in his name (they would not be transfers as they are unlikely to have been registered in Emma's name as yearlings), the older ones could be shared out to their regular drivers - Mark/Lisa Pitt, Andy/Kate Gath, Kerryn Manning, James/Ashleigh Herbertson, even Luke/Belinda McCarthy

[Messenger]

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/hrv-stewards-reject-stewart-tonkin-stable-transfer/

Harness Racing Victoria has rejected Emma Stewart’s transfer of horses to partner Clayton Tonkin.

Not only has Emma won a race at Ballarat tonight
But so has Clayton
with a horse that was previously trained by Emma
Champagne Delight had not started since Nov 25, 2022
Maybe they were able to show that she was transferred to Clayton BEFORE the disqualification

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=BA040124

[Messenger]

The above Champagne Delight's dam is Champagne Dreams - a half sister to Lazarus

[Messenger]

Stewart and Tonkin had 3 in at Ballarat for 3 winners = $1.50, $1.35, $1.07

The $1.07 winning on debut is The Lost Storm's half sister

[Messenger]

I half wonder whether the Stewart stable has been told to keep a low profile and it will blow over

[Messenger]

This afternoon PP has posted a summary of what has been happening in regards to the Stewart Disqualification

Edit: I have just noticed that it is basically what HRV have posted here

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/stewart-directions-hearing-delayed-until-march-to-address-transfers/

I am wondering whether Stewart's legal team aren't disputing the decision to not allow her to transfer horse to Clayton, on the basis 'as to why can't she?' as she is not currently disqualified but on a stay

[gutwagon]

HRV have got themselves into this trouble because they didn't force a training team to be registered as one. Both trainers should be disqualified !

[Messenger]

The stable is certainly keeping a low profile with what seems far fewer starters than usual
If what PP is suggesting about analysis of the saline drips turns out to be true then the breeding industry will have been corrupted immensely as 100's if not 1,000's of wins will be tainted

[Messenger]

Just when I was beginning to wonder why they didn't just serve the 6mth suspension (as they have been racing so infrequently) we hear they have had some sensational 2yo's trialing

[Messenger]

Stewart and Tonkin took 5 horses to Maryborough today and none of them started longer than $1.55
4 of them were 3yo's taking on older horses
They are too smart for the programmers
The 4 had NR's between 50 - 56
Programmers with the power to tweak the fields could have put most of them in the same race (do they still do that in NSW?)
The trotter was beaten into 2nd, the shortest of their favourites ($1.04) was in the No Race and I do not know what happened there
The other three won easily

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MH030524

[gutwagon]

So will she ever do the suspension ? Seems to be dragging on !

[trish]

So will she ever do the suspension ? Seems to be dragging on !

IMO , I think those with clouds hanging over their heads, that are still making a stack of money is hard to take for anyone in Harness Racing.
But they are entitled to fight the charges. But why it takes so long to hear is beyond my pay rate!!

[gutwagon]

They are not fighting the charges, they pleaded guilty. They are fighting the penalty . Most people thought they got off lightly but they want just a fine.
When I say they I mean Tonkin and Stewart as they are a training team. Oh that's right he got no penalty !!!!!
I predict it will string out a few more months then be reduced to a fine !

No offense intended Trish, just wanted to remind people they were guilty.

[trish]

They are not fighting the charges, they pleaded guilty. They are fighting the penalty . Most people thought they got off lightly but they want just a fine.
When I say they I mean Tonkin and Stewart as they are a training team. Oh that's right he got no penalty !!!!!
I predict it will string out a few more months then be reduced to a fine !

No offense intended Trish, just wanted to remind people they were guilty.

My mistake Rick.

[trish]

And also Rick, the best thing we ever did was sell up. Which is sad .
But we would be so angry if we were still in it.

[Messenger]

So will she ever do the suspension ? Seems to be dragging on !

Well now that she won her appeal over not being allowed to transfer horses to Tonkin, if she is suspended it won't mean anything anyway

PP is right in that Stewards cannot afford to lose a Stay decision because once she had a Stay, she can do whatever anybody else can ie transfer horses
What he forgot to mention is Stewards create a massive loophole by not forcing people who are co-trainers to be registered as such

[trish]

Well now that she won her appeal over not being allowed to transfer horses to Tonkin, if she is suspended it won't mean anything anyway

PP is right in that Stewards cannot afford to lose a Stay decision because once she had a Stay, she can do whatever anybody else can ie transfer horses
What he forgot to mention is Stewards create a massive loophole by not forcing people who are co-trainers to be registered as such

Blah Blah Blah........I thought I would never say it but I am actually enjoying the greyhounds.

[Messenger]

:eek: I would literally rather watch 2 flies walking up a wall :)

[trish]

Good one.

But all they have to say is NO I am the trainer & he is not .

[Messenger]

Maybe some rules about trainers attending meetings might help :confused:

[trish]

There is a rule that states that if the trainer is not going to attend, than all they have to do is give a letter to a license person who they put in charge of their horses.
As far as trainers attending meetings that would not be possible if you had runners in two states. Inter, MM etc.

[Messenger]

Nobody is going to expect a trainer to be in 2 places at the one time but maybe at one of them. If they are unable to, maybe they should be required to inform the stewards of the reason. Maybe if the reason is not acceptable to the stewards then the trainer could be fined
Just trying to think of ways to get around the massive loophole that exists whereby suspended trainers can just transfer their horses to a partner (who may have been the trainer or co-trainer all along)

[trish]

I understand what you are saying Kev , but there is always a way around it.

I had to laugh this morning when I read a trainer has transferred his horses to another trainer even though he has not been suspended , but its a pretty clear indercation on what might happen.

[Messenger]

So will she ever do the suspension ? Seems to be dragging on !

NO

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/stewart-free-to-race-after-appeal-to-vrt-quashes-disqualification/

Stewart free to race after appeal to VRT quashes disqualification

[Messenger]

PP correctly points out this morning - how would you feel about this decision if you were a steward
The leading stable for the last decade, caught treating horses on race day And only receive a fine

[trish]

Not great if I was the steward.
PP is correct, was it race day? Or the day before? I did read the day before in Adams report.


https://www.racenet.com.au/news/leading-harness-trainer-emma-stewarts-sixmonth-disqualification-slashed-to-a-fine-on-appeal-20240605-2

Adam writes ............."which has divided Victorian harness racing".

[Messenger]

PP has this to say about Emma.
What he failed to mention was their odds:
$1.50 $1.35 $1.15
I don't know how to access total turnover figures but I cannot help but wonder whether these races are good for HRV

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX230824

[Messenger]

We have the 3yo VicBred heats at Kilmore tonight

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=KI290824

3 races down

The Stewart stable:
R1 Trifecta
R2 Quinella
R3 Trifecta

Can you imagine this happening in any other code (or State even)

We will keep you updated

[Messenger]

3yo VicBred heats at Kilmore 2024

Emma Stewart the winner of ALL 8 Heats

Additionally she trains another 9 placegetters

Emma Stewart trains 17 placegetters v The Rest of Victoria 7 placegetters

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=KI290824

Has she destroyed her own future because Victoria does not appear to have one

[trish]

I agree Kev re Vic.

Stewart simply remarkable.

PP has a story on this .

What's the point of running the final of the 3yo??????

[gutwagon]

Time she moved to NSW for the better money !

[trish]

Would be interesting!!!

[Messenger]

Better money on Saturday night as the Vicbred Semi's are worth $20k
BUT she cannot win them all - she does not have a runner in R12

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX070924

[Messenger]

A bad night for Emma - she only won 9 out of 11 contested Vicbred Semi's. She did however get 1 First Four, 2 Trifectas and 4 Quinellas

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX070924

[Messenger]

When it comes to marketing our sport - have you ever seen anyone projecting "I wish these b*$!@#&^ would p... off and leave me alone" more than Clayton Tonkin does here

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=874755057549109

[trish]

PP has a story on this stable this morning.
Wow. He says the number of 2 & 3yo runners has dropped from 148 to 56 in the Breeders Crown heats since 2020.
Really ???
Could this be true???

[Messenger]

And he states that the stable winning 12 of the 16 Finals in that period has ripped the heart out of Victorian harness racing as nobody wants to race them

[Messenger]

I am wondering how did the Stewart up and comer The Narcissist end up in her stable
He is owned by Andrea Butt, wife of Tim Butt.
Have these families collaborated in the past?

[trish]

Not sure Kev but I guess they win so so many races why not.
Same as JG , I think he could have the biggest stable in NSW if he wanted to because of his amazing talent as a trainer.

Remarkable indeed.

[Messenger]

I figured that Grimson would be the go-to in NSW (but Tim Butt is not on good terms with them)
while Stewart is it in Vic despite her FFA horses seeming to dwindle of late.
There are of course a couple of other very highly regarded stables in both states

[trish]

The money in NSW would lure most owners but not all obviously.

I still wonder if Vic does not improve with money how many would want to go to Menangle or could is another thing.

[Messenger]

Remember the push for more even fields and favourites over $2 to improve turnover

Last night Emma had $1.25, $1.35, $1.33, $1.12, $1.05 favourites at Melton AND none of these were races for juveniles (which she tends to dominate)
at Menangle she had $1.12, $1.95, $2, $1.65

Nine favourites not ideal for turnover = sadly she is bad for racing. Maybe it is no coincidence that the demise of Victorian harness racing coincides with her domination

[trish]

Wonder how she would go in NSW full time?

[trish]

Emma Stewart.
Age
43
Career
3333 Wins
Group 1
136 Wins
Prizemoney
$51,583,350
Career Win %
35%
Season Win %
46%


Remarkable stats.

[Messenger]

And I imagine that winning % does not allow for her having multi runners in so many (juvenile) races and of course she can only have one winner eg if she wins the NSW Derby it will only equate to 16.5% winning percentage as she has 6 runners

[trish]

And I imagine that winning % does not allow for her having multi runners in so many (juvenile) races and of course she can only have one winner eg if she wins the NSW Derby it will only equate to 16.5% winning percentage as she has 6 runners


And that makes it even more remarkable!!!!