Pepper Tree Sale Results

[Termite]

This is a call to those resourceful folk who are heading to the PTF sale today carrying an IPhone. Can you please keep us posted with sale results today. Pretty please :p

[mango]

If you would like to know a certain result just ask as i wrote most of them down. I havn't got time to write them all down at the moment as i'm going to sit on the heater and try and thaw out, it was freezing.

[Termite]

The sbsw yearlings please mango.

[mango]

Kept For Pleasure $110k
Trudee $20k passed in

[Termite]

Thanks mango. Apart from the kept for pleasure colt were there any other 'wow, prices for lots?

[David Summers]

mango , on the Kept For Pleasure colt was there spirited bidding or just a couple of starting high bids that shut others out?

Was there some sort of confirmation problem with the Trudee colt?

[mango]

No other wow price's, there was 2 that were passed in though that i really liked, Jereme's Jet - Socialize colt was a nice strong looking colt and was passed in for $20k and not sure of the reserve and the other a filly by Mach Three - Indigenous she was a really nice filly with a beautifull walk she was passed in for $33k and her reserve was $35k.

[mango]

mango , on the Kept For Pleasure colt was there spirited bidding or just a couple of starting high bids that shut others out?

Was there some sort of confirmation problem with the Trudee colt?

There was some spirited bidding from different people and the Trudee colt was a good bodied colt and a lot stronger type than the other one i thought it also was a lot bigger in the joints and had a average head, boarder line on roman nose type.

[David Summers]

Thanks for the update mango. Did you secure any stock for yourself today , or just an observer?

[mightymo]

i believe the Postmark filly sold for 40K and the African dancer was a buyback at 41k, with a 45K reserve

[mango]

Hey Ozninja

Mango doesn't need any more stock i have 3 mare's going to stud and 2 fillies going to the Sydney sale and the way fillies sell i could be taking them home and racing them. By the way i watched the stallion parade and my pick was Sportswriter what a well put together stallion he is.

[Love Of Courage]

Hello Mango,

If you have a minute these 2 are related to my mares.

Lot 5 Kathian Princess

Lot 29 As It Is In Heaven

Regards,

LOC

[mango]

i believe the Postmark filly sold for 40K and the African dancer was a buyback at 41k, with a 45K reserve

Hi Mightymo

You are correct and the Postmark filly went to Fitzy's in Sydney, i was also talking to Tim Butt today who is over here looking at Menangle and various set up's and also asked him about there recent purchase from the states Lisagain. Lisagain who is a half brother to Lismara by Dragon Again is currently in Auckland and will head to Christchurch on Tuesday where he will begin work in the aim of some nice race's towards the end of the year.

[mango]

Hi Love Of Courage

I have Lot 5 down for $1,000 and Lot 29 passed in for $9.5k and he was a nice colt.

[thesushitrain]

Absolutely awful sale, vendors will be slashing their wrists after those results

90% of them weren't genuine bids, including the top price lot

Can't believe eliteblood couldn't sell his, I thought the best type in the sale and the indigenous filly was best filly

[mango]

Absolutely awful sale, vendors will be slashing their wrists after those results

90% of them weren't genuine bids, including the top price lot

Can't believe eliteblood couldn't sell his, I thought the best type in the sale and the indigenous filly was best filly

I agree with you there they were my picks when i took a look at them all, i also thought Lot 33 Bettorthanyou was worth a punt for a broodmare being a half sister to Make Mine Cullen she sold for $9,250.

[Love Of Courage]

Hi Love Of Courage

I have Lot 5 down for $1,000 and Lot 29 passed in for $9.5k and he was a nice colt.

Hello Mango,

Could you check these please !


5 (http://www.graemeboard.com/tasks/sites/graeme-board/assets/File/2011-PTF/05.pdf) MARE KATHIAN PRINCESS Santanna Blue Chip

29 (http://www.graemeboard.com/tasks/sites/graeme-board/assets/File/2011-PTF/29.pdf) MARE AS IT IS IN HEAVEN ART MAJOR

[Flashing Red]

Hey Mango - so how high really is Rocknroll Heaven?

[mango]

Hello Mango,

Could you check these please !


5 (http://www.graemeboard.com/tasks/sites/graeme-board/assets/File/2011-PTF/05.pdf) MARE KATHIAN PRINCESS Santanna Blue Chip

29 (http://www.graemeboard.com/tasks/sites/graeme-board/assets/File/2011-PTF/29.pdf) MARE AS IT IS IN HEAVEN ART MAJOR

Hey LOC

That's what i have down but not totally sure with Lot 5 and there were a few that sold that said they were in foal in the book and weren't and she could of been one of them and Lot 29 is correct.

[mango]

Hey Mango - so how high really is Rocknroll Heaven?

Hi Flashing

Sorry only just seen your question, not sure how high but i would like to measure him as i don't think he is 15.2 like they say and as i said in a previous post Sportswriter was my pick.

[Termite]

Anyone know who shelled out $110k for the top colt? how much for scoots away?

[triplev123]

SBSW -Kept For Pleasure was a buy back.

[Love Of Courage]

SBSW -Kept For Pleasure was a buy back.

Why would you buy back this horse. It seems like a good price considering the current market conditions. ?

[Termite]

Thanks triple. Wonder why they put him through. Surely they wont do any better than $110k. I rememberr when sloys bought back a colt for $87.5k a couple of years back. He turned out to be brick top... Won 60k to the end of his 3yo season.

If they put this bloke through the gold sales a few potential purchasers might be scared off at the prospect that he isn't for sale.

[mango]

If correct , can hardly believe that the Kathian Princess colt went for just $1000. I believe he was an outstanding type. mango , is that price correct? Sorry for querying this with you mango , I know you are not the official press on the event , but that seems completely bizarre, to say the least.

Kathian Princess was a mare and i just rang a mate and he has $1k down in his book

[mango]

Thanks triple. Wonder why they put him through. Surely they wont do any better than $110k. I rememberr when sloys bought back a colt for $87.5k a couple of years back. He turned out to be brick top... Won 60k to the end of his 3yo season.

If they put this bloke through the gold sales a few potential purchasers might be scared off at the prospect that he isn't for sale.

What you have to remember Sloy's only own a half share so it has to go through the sale's and if they then wish to purchase it back they only pay half the money as they already own the other half.

[Termite]

Thanks mango. That makes sense.

[Flashing Red]

Do you think he is smaller than that, I should have said....

[mango]

Do you think he is smaller than that, I should have said....

Hi Flashing

I like the horse but yes i do think he is smaller than that but that's only my opinion and i've been known to be wrong on many occasions.

[strong persuader]

Hi guys, any chance you have the price on Lot 14 and a bit of a description please, unfortunately couldn't make it there today as I didn't want to risk divorce by giving in to any desires for another horse :)

[mango]

Hi guys, any chance you have the price on Lot 14 and a bit of a description please, unfortunately couldn't make it there today as I didn't want to risk divorce by giving in to any desires for another horse :)

Lucky you didn't risk divorce as it was withdrawn

[Gtrain]

What you have to remember Sloy's only own a half share so it has to go through the sale's and if they then wish to purchase it back they only pay half the money as they already own the other half.

This happens at a number of GB sales. They run horses up on themselves to say they have one worth $XXXXX. Particularly when there is no commission paid on buy backs. A number of studs are champions at this.

[justdoit]

Any chance of getting the full results of the day?

[latemail_cam]

Hi guys, any chance you have the price on Lot 14 and a bit of a description please, unfortunately couldn't make it there today as I didn't want to risk divorce by giving in to any desires for another horse :)

Thats funny I have the same situation, just bought a 25% share last week and had to put it in my wifes name to make her happy

[Greg Hando]

This happens at a number of GB sales. They run horses up on themselves to say they have one worth $XXXXX. Particularly when there is no commission paid on buy backs. A number of studs are champions at this.

What and other sales don't have them being run up ?

[strong persuader]

Lucky you didn't risk divorce as it was withdrawn
Thanks for that. I'm sure I would have been forgiven if she was good looking and would have only had to be careful until the foal arrived. Who can resist a young one :)

[triplev123]

This happens at a number of GB sales. They run horses up on themselves to say they have one worth $XXXXX. Particularly when there is no commission paid on buy backs. A number of studs are champions at this.

[VVV] G'day Gtrain. To be fair, it happens to some degree at all sales from time to time. That's the nature of the promotions beast and none of them can claim to be immune. I've long had a yearning for days past when you could do any form business with some blokes on the basis of a handshake and both parties stood by it. Graeme's certainly one of those blokes, Old School. His handshake is as good as a written contract. We've done business with him on that basis in the past & will no doubt do so again in the future. In my experience the APG are the same and George Aiken/Parramatta Livestock was the same. It's a very tough business that they're in/were in and none of them can/could afford to dick around anyone who was a genuine client be they buyer or seller. Sales are sometimes like doing the Form before having a Bet. The balance of probabilities are...or whatever. For example, I wrote down in my catalogue here about 3 weeks ago that the SBSW colt would in all likelyhood be a buy back/partner buy out. Unless someone from outside went insane I didn't think it would ever leave the owners/part owners hands.
It doesn't happen as often here but especially at mixed sales there are regular partner buy out/buy backs in the US.

[thesushitrain]

i didnt think it was a particularly well run sale, when its 10 degrees tops with a gale blowing its not a good idea to have an hour break between a stallion parade and passing in the first 10 lots of the day

wasn't exactly happy with them taking 250 bids on horses that were 5k away from their reserve price either

[Greg Hando]

Seems like you haven't much concept of auctioneering the go is to get as much for the client as possible and if the buyer only want's to bid 250 then that's what you take he wont bid a 1000 as he is trying to get a product for as cheap as possible

[triplev123]

wasn't exactly happy with them taking 250 bids on horses that were 5k away from their reserve price either

[VVV] He's working for the Seller my friend, not the Buyer.

[Toohard]

Re the Somebeach....

The horse was 4 sale or not? Already talk about a Somebeach fetching 110K plus at a sale. And we bag the NSW Stewards....

[eliteblood]

Unfortunately it was a very cold day at Pepper Tree which spoilt the day a bit. Despite that the Vandykes did an excellent job of presenting their stud and the stallions to quite a reasonable crowd.
While all eyes were on RNR Heaven, it was Sportswriter that everyone was talking about after the parade. He is a very attractive Artsplace stallion.
RNR Heaven also presented very well and the much debated subject of how big he is was put to rest. He is 15.1 hands.
Sale of broodmares followed the stallion parade. I don’t have any prices but there was basically nobody wanting to buy broodmares – many were passed in.
I thought the yearlings sold OK but not as strongly as most vendors would have liked. Again I don’t have many prices but the SBSW colt from Kept For Pleasure was the highest priced yearling at $110k. A RNR Hanover filly from Postmark sold for $40k and the Mach Three filly from Indigenous was passed in at $33k.
My Jereme’s Jet – Socialize colt was a really nice individual but only made a disappointing $20k in the ring which I didn’t accept. Within 1 minute I had him sold for $30k and had another 3 enquiries within the next 10 minutes. That was at the bottom end of what I thought he might make. At least that will pay for a few service fees. I now have 3 FSS colts left to sell in Melbourne in Feb.

[rum4all]

took one look out the window at the weather and decided not to attend, does anyone have what price lot 42 the badlands colt made?

[mango]

Passed in at $12k

[rum4all]

thanks mango

[mango]

If people thought the Peppertree sale didn't bring good results it's worth a look at the results of the clearance sale at Spreydon Lodge last thursday there were bargains to be had there. Just off the topic the fastest at todays Ready To Run was 56.1 and there are still a couple to trial Wednesday.

[thesushitrain]

[VVV] He's working for the Seller my friend, not the Buyer.

its pushing ridiculous to expect 20 bids to reach the reserve... the auctioneer definitely cottoned on about half way through, one lot he said take it back out we are no where near it

[justdoit]

Thanks Eliteblood for the update on the sale.

RNR Heaven will have a big job ahead of him with the he competition he has , his size will only worry some NSWelshmen that think bigger is better. CUFire,VJasper
All other advertised standardbred stallions are 15.2, that makes him not as small as CUFire,VJasper

[eliteblood]

Thanks Eliteblood for the update on the sale.

RNR Heaven will have a big job ahead of him with the he competition he has , his size will only worry some NSWelshmen that think bigger is better. CUFire,VJasper
All other advertised standardbred stallions are 15.2, that makes him not as small as CUFire,VJasper

He is definitely bigger than CUF and VJ. I don't understand the reference to NSWelshmen - do they think differently to breeders in other states with regard to stallion size ?
I don't think RNR Heaven has to be afraid of the competition as much as they need to be afraid of him. I'm sure he will get a large book of mares and will get an excellent shot at making it as a sire.

[triplev123]

WARNING- RANT COME WAFFLE FOLLOWING...

On the size thing Troops...taken in isolation IMO it's all such a subjective wank and I say this because I reckon there are so many variables beyond just that which a simple height measurement indicates.

Even then I'm also rather dubious about some of the stated sizes. You've only got to go through many of the sire guides and see how many of them are said to be 15.2/15.3. How many of you ever get in the yard and measure them? Does it matter anyway? I've looked at a heap of stallions over the years and I've never once done it. I just use the old peepers. Not a lot of science & certainty involved there admittedly.

For example, there's 16h & plain old hulking & there's 16h & powerful/athletic...and similarly at the other end of the scale there's 14.3h hands & solid/muscular & there's 14.3h & built like the bastard child of a greyhound that had stuck one into a pipecleaner...and of course in between there are all forms of variation on a theme.

Also, it seems that this discussion is virtually always based on the size of this stallion or that one but it seems nobody ever really talks of the size of their mares in relation to the stallion/s being discussed, this despite the mares playing at the very least an equally important role in the outcome.

Personally I don't like small mares & especially if they're small & also finely built &/or short coupled and unfortunately I've learnt the hard way there.
On the other hand I don't mind smaller stallions but only if they're also powerfully built/solid with it and if they also had a very good length of stride. Similarly I don't mind big horses as long as they're not really heavy built/boned along with it & again just as long as they had a good length of stride relative to their size.
Mares wise, I like the long barrelled mares, ones that look like they've got an extra set of ribs to most horses and I like to see a mare with the hindquarters of Florence Griffith-Joyner and the walk of one of the ladies that ply their trade nightly towards the Kings X tunnel end of William St. here in Sydney.

It's also the Gospel truth that there are a number of sires at stud in both AUS & NZ who's widely advertised size would bare little or no resemblance to reality should someone view them with the naked eye and those that stand them know this too btw. There are horses advertised to be 15.1 that are closer to 14.2/14.3 and there are horses advertised to be 16h that are significantly bigger than that, a couple that I know of are easy closing in on 16.3.

Don't believe the hype. Go look at them yourself if you can or if not then take the advice of someone you can rely on to see them in much the same way as you do.

[Flashing Red]

My very knowledgeble friend in the US said that whole family (Rocknroll Heaven) is small. Don't get me wrong, he is a huge fan of the horse. I am actually not really bothered with horse's heights as it is, especially if the family is of average or large size and said horse seems to be the only small one.

I am only asking because I would like to use him, but the mare we have pencilled in is also from a family of small horses. Built like a tank, but not tall. While I don't get caught up in sire sizes, I'm not out to intentionally breed a small one either, if that makes sense. People say size doesn't matter with racehorses, but I am yet to find someone that says that they are trying to breed a small horse. lol.

[Flashing Red]

My very knowledgeble friend in the US said that whole family (Rocknroll Heaven) is small. Don't get me wrong, he is a huge fan of the horse. I am actually not really bothered with horse's heights as it is, especially if the family is of average or large size and said horse seems to be the only small one.

I am only asking because I would like to use him, but the mare we have pencilled in is also from a family of small horses. Built like a tank, but not tall. While I don't get caught up in sire sizes, I'm not out to intentionally breed a small one either, if that makes sense. People say size doesn't matter with racehorses, but I am yet to find someone that says that they are trying to breed a small horse. lol.

Also test trying ET with this mare with a young 16hh broodmare. Would love for the surrogate's size to rub off somehow! I have read some interesting articles on foal vs womb (ie mare) sizes....

[triplev123]

Hey Flashing, there must be a kind of optical illusion aspect to it too...at least with me anyway. We've got two colts, both by the same sire, and if asked I would have said one was no risk a bit taller than the other but a couple of days ago we got their feet done & side by side they're pretty much identical height wise. At the wither & the rump they're line ball. The difference in them is their build. The one I thought was the shorter of the two is very solidly built & muscular while the one that I thought was taller is a bit more to the leaner, maybe just a touch longer side.

[eliteblood]

Also test trying ET with this mare with a young 16hh broodmare. Would love for the surrogate's size to rub off somehow! I have read some interesting articles on foal vs womb (ie mare) sizes....

Flashing Red,
Prof Angus McKinnon is among the world's leading authorities on equine reproduction. I once quizzed him on the impact that surrogate size has on the size of the resulting animal. His advice was that the size of the foal at birth is influenced by the size of the surrogate but in the end the foal will ultimately grow to the size that is determined by its genetics (given there are no nutritional issues)

[Flashing Red]

Flashing Red,
Prof Angus McKinnon is among the world's leading authorities on equine reproduction. I once quizzed him on the impact that surrogate size has on the size of the resulting animal. His advice was that the size of the foal at birth is influenced by the size of the surrogate but in the end the foal will ultimately grow to the size that is determined by its genetics (given there are no nutritional issues)

The mare would be lucky to be 15hh! Surrogate would be over 16hh for sure. I think we'll go ahead with it anyway, like our little experiment. Thanks heaps for the info :)

[Love Of Courage]

Kathian Princess was a mare and i just rang a mate and he has $1k down in his book

Hello Mango,

Thank you for the reply, it is appreciated.

I rang the owners of Kathian Princess ( Kath & Ian ) and the mare was sold in foal to Santanna Blue Chip and sold for the $ 1000. Not a good result for them, especially as this mares Art Major filly was accepted into the Premium Sale, but unfortunately withdrawn due to injury.

[Love Of Courage]

If people thought the Peppertree sale didn't bring good results it's worth a look at the results of the clearance sale at Spreydon Lodge last thursday there were bargains to be had there. Just off the topic the fastest at todays Ready To Run was 56.1 and there are still a couple to trial Wednesday.

Hello Mango,

Due you have the website where I could see the entries and prices for the Spreydon Lodge Sale.

Regards,

LOC

[eliteblood]

The mare would be lucky to be 15hh! Surrogate would be over 16hh for sure. I think we'll go ahead with it anyway, like our little experiment. Thanks heaps for the info :)

Why not !!!
You will need your surrogate and donor mare's breeding cycles to be pretty much in sync to do the ET. With drugs like regumate, prostaglandin, chorulon, etc. that is possible to manipulate but the mares don't always react to the drugs according to the textbook. Generally the vet practices that perform have a paddock full of surrogate mares and just pick one who's cycle is closely aligned to that of the donor mare.

[mango]

Hello Mango,

Due you have the website where I could see the entries and prices for the Spreydon Lodge Sale.

Regards,

LOC

Hi Love Of Courage

Go to www.standardbred.co.nz and click on PGG Wrightson standardbred index and when the page come's up just click on past sale results. You will also see adverts for Ready To Run so if you click on that you will see there time trials they done in n.z yesty.

[thesushitrain]

Don't bother trying with one recipient flash, go for numbers as eliteblood said

[2minuteman]

WARNING- RANT COME WAFFLE FOLLOWING...

On the size thing Troops...taken in isolation IMO it's all such a subjective wank and I say this because I reckon there are so many variables beyond just that which a simple height measurement indicates.

Even then I'm also rather dubious about some of the stated sizes. You've only got to go through many of the sire guides and see how many of them are said to be 15.2/15.3. How many of you ever get in the yard and measure them? Does it matter anyway? I've looked at a heap of stallions over the years and I've never once done it. I just use the old peepers. Not a lot of science & certainty involved there admittedly.

For example, there's 16h & plain old hulking & there's 16h & powerful/athletic...and similarly at the other end of the scale there's 14.3h hands & solid/muscular & there's 14.3h & built like the bastard child of a greyhound that had stuck one into a pipecleaner...and of course in between there are all forms of variation on a theme.

Also, it seems that this discussion is virtually always based on the size of this stallion or that one but it seems nobody ever really talks of the size of their mares in relation to the stallion/s being discussed, this despite the mares playing at the very least an equally important role in the outcome.

Personally I don't like small mares & especially if they're small & also finely built &/or short coupled and unfortunately I've learnt the hard way there.
On the other hand I don't mind smaller stallions but only if they're also powerfully built/solid with it and if they also had a very good length of stride. Similarly I don't mind big horses as long as they're not really heavy built/boned along with it & again just as long as they had a good length of stride relative to their size.
Mares wise, I like the long barrelled mares, ones that look like they've got an extra set of ribs to most horses and I like to see a mare with the hindquarters of Florence Griffith-Joyner and the walk of one of the ladies that ply their trade nightly towards the Kings X tunnel end of William St. here in Sydney.

It's also the Gospel truth that there are a number of sires at stud in both AUS & NZ who's widely advertised size would bare little or no resemblance to reality should someone view them with the naked eye and those that stand them know this too btw. There are horses advertised to be 15.1 that are closer to 14.2/14.3 and there are horses advertised to be 16h that are significantly bigger than that, a couple that I know of are easy closing in on 16.3.

Don't believe the hype. Go look at them yourself if you can or if not then take the advice of someone you can rely on to see them in much the same way as you do.
Kings Cross tunnel end of William St eh.Must remember that.

[strong persuader]

Hate to drag you away from such an interesting discussion but I would like to know if there are any recollections about Lot 64 at the sale, filly by CUF from Vizzaro. She looked a good sort in her photo.

[triplev123]

She was a good type from the pics I saw. Her dam was a good cut of a thing too, big thumping Artsplace mare she was.
She sold at one of those Alabar Broodmare Sales if I recall correctly or it could have been at the sale GB & Co. held at Kevin Risely's place. Brain dead this morning.

[ringin]

Hate to drag you away from such an interesting discussion but I would like to know if there are any recollections about Lot 64 at the sale, filly by CUF from Vizzaro. She looked a good sort in her photo.

was a very nice sort SP

forget the size of the horse, rocknroll heaven was a better race horse then many bigger then him and he'll throw that in his progeny whether they are big or small

[Love Of Courage]

Cheers Mango,

A lot of mares selling in foal for well below the stallion service fee.

I have the full results for the Pepper Tree Sale if anyone needs any prices.

Regards,

LOC

[Termite]

Hello LOC, Scoots away price please.

[Love Of Courage]

Hello LOC, Scoots away price please.

Hello Termite,

$ 30,000

Regards,

LOC

[mango]

Hate to drag you away from such an interesting discussion but I would like to know if there are any recollections about Lot 64 at the sale, filly by CUF from Vizzaro. She looked a good sort in her photo.

She sold for $20k to one of Fitzy's clients.

[mango]

She was a good type from the pics I saw. Her dam was a good cut of a thing too, big thumping Artsplace mare she was.
She sold at one of those Alabar Broodmare Sales if I recall correctly or it could have been at the sale GB & Co. held at Kevin Risely's place. Brain dead this morning.

She sold at the Lemon Tree clearnace sale in March 2010 for $30k in foal to CUF. The sale was conducted before a GB & CO broodmare sale.

[mango]

Hello Termite,

$ 30,000

Regards,

LOC

Hi LOC

$30K is right but she was actually passed in for $22k and then sold after some discussion.

[David Summers]

Hi LOC

$30K is right but she was actually passed in for $22k and then sold after some discussion.

Good luck to the buyers. Still not a bad buy , even at $30K.

[dizzy]

Mares size has a greater impact on the size of the foal then the stallion.

On the ET issue and size of the surrogates whilst the vets say the size of the surrogate mare has no impact on the size of the foal at maturity many of the people paying for the process are not so sure. My warmblood breeding friends, where size matters, are mightily relieved when their embryo arrives home from the clinic in a mare over 16hh.

[Flashing Red]

Thanks for that Dizzy. Our surrogate mare for the season, she is a big roomy young (5yo) standardbred mare, excellent mother. Had a tonne of ability but succumbed to a career ending injury. She would be at least 16hh but I haven't sticked her, but from the riding horses I have had in the past, who were 16.1 and 16.2hh, she is more to their size. So she would be at least 16hh for sure. And not a big ugly then, she is perfectly in proportion and despite big is not clunky or goofy in anyway. Her foal of last year by Sir Galvinator is outstanding. Shame she has to be a surrogate this year, but we have no one else and she fits our criteria for a surrogate, ie young and big and good mum :)

[triplev123]

She sold at the Lemon Tree clearnace sale in March 2010 for $30k in foal to CUF. The sale was conducted before a GB & CO broodmare sale.

[VVV] Geeze, I knew someone would get there eventually. Cheers Mango. ;)

[mightymo]

Just seen the full list of results. With the yearlings, it appears 15 lots were sold and the remaining 16 were either buybacks or withdrawals.

[mo cushla]

Scoots Away will look cheap after the Ponder (yes Ponder) filly races