Miracle Mile and qualifiers

[Messenger]

The field is out

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=NR210220&s=BALRAJ%2520NZ&f=1#NRC21022008

Have the handicappers been 'ageist' when it comes to Don Boston
4 wins in a row including 1.49.8 at Menangle, has a 93 rating but 2nd Emerg
while Pay Me Sam only has an 89 rating

[aussiebreno]

One win at Menangle on Jan 25 has some merit but the rest of the fields have been nowhere near the standard Pay Me Sam has been racing in e.g. a Ratings 90 and Claimer.

[Messenger]

Thanks Breno, I bow to you on everything north of the border

The Chariots Field is out

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=PC220220#PCM22022002

Plenty of Vics

[aussiebreno]

If Lochinvar Art can cross pegs in 26.5 or slower first quarter have to think he is a big shot to beat Self Assured again. We've seen so many horses fail from wide draws at Menangle in a hectic mile. I feel Lochinvar Arts main danger in this is how much work the Delight horses drawn 1 and 2 make him do. The other spanner would be Hurricane Harley trying to lead but I think thats unlikely.

Its going to take a good drive from Purdon to not be too far off him at the 1400-1200m and be able to apply pressure in the 2nd quarter without burning himself.

Happy to take $3 Lochinvar Art.

[Mighty Atom]

Yep, I see the eastern seaboard harness racing clubs this time Menangle are living up to their usual dubious behaviour when it comes to the barrier draws.
Our Alfie Romeo 12, Galactic Star 10 more than a coincidence and people ask how can we improve harness racing? well fair and honesty would be a start.
I really don't know why our trainers bother taking on a long arduous trip and then being handicapped out of the race with horrendous barrier draws

[Messenger]

To eliminate any doubt, maybe all Gp1 races should have a public draw shown on TrotsTV, TrotsVision or whatever (or do they already?)

[Messenger]

New Newcastle Tk Rec to Major Dan
I missed it and am waiting for the replay
What was with the Late Scratchings?

Now seen it and although Major Dan has the first spot in the MM, I just can't see him holding off the challengers in the long Menangle straight

Thanks to an old poster for letting me know that the Late scratchings were Late Arrivals - I imagine you would want to have a bloody good excuse to appease the owners

[aussiebreno]

Menangle week after week are dominated by 1609m races. Then just before Miracle Mile they put on 2300m races. Surely the fringe Sydney FFAers should be given the chance to race at a mile heading into the Miracle Mile previews.

[Showgrounds]

Menangle week after week are dominated by 1609m races. Then just before Miracle Mile they put on 2300m races. Surely the fringe Sydney FFAers should be given the chance to race at a mile heading into the Miracle Mile previews.

Going by the mile rates they record it doesn't seem to make much difference. They only go one speed there. Still, peculiar programming seems to be a Sydney speciality.

[aussiebreno]

If Lochinvar Art can cross pegs in 26.5 or slower first quarter have to think he is a big shot to beat Self Assured again. We've seen so many horses fail from wide draws at Menangle in a hectic mile. I feel Lochinvar Arts main danger in this is how much work the Delight horses drawn 1 and 2 make him do. The other spanner would be Hurricane Harley trying to lead but I think thats unlikely.

Its going to take a good drive from Purdon to not be too far off him at the 1400-1200m and be able to apply pressure in the 2nd quarter without burning himself.

Happy to take $3 Lochinvar Art.

Not how I planned it, but Moran summed the race up a treat. Terrific horse and drive. Heart in mouth moment when I thought Self Assured might cross him and down the straight it looked 50/50 but dat $3 was a bargain!

[Messenger]

And Our Princess Tiffany was impressive running 1.49.9 in the Robin Dundee

[Messenger]

Thanks to an old poster for letting me know that the Late scratchings were Late Arrivals - I imagine you would want to have a bloody good excuse to appease the owners

Thanks to the same old poster for sending me this link to the Newcastle Herald which explains why the Cross team were late

https://www.newcastleherald.com.au/story/6642798/majordan-breaks-track-record-in-dramatic-newcastle-mile-win/

[Messenger]

I have been sent Cobbity Farm's tweets on the matter
They are understandably very disappointed as they loaded and left as soon as HRNSW informed them to expect traffic delays
In the wash up they say they were only 6 minutes outside the deadline of 2 hours

[Messenger]

Some fantastic mile racing scheduled for Menangle on Saturday
Just look at the 'ordinary' $20k R1 for starters

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=PC290220

[Showgrounds]

Both Self Assured and Chase Auckland have been scratched from Saturday night's qualifier and the rest of the carnival. Full story is on All Stars website. It is feared Chase Auckland may have fractured his pelvis in trackwork while Self Assured has a foot abscess, which would have been brewing for some time. He is flying home to Christchurch next Tuesday.

I suspect he will only have a couple of weeks off as three Group One four year old races over the next two months, the Taylor Mile, Messenger and Harness Jewels, appear to be at his mercy. Not a Miracle Mile, but not a bad way to finish off the season all the same.

[aussiebreno]

Fancy a 1.49.8 from Bright Energy and he isn't even in the top 22 seeds tonight. Probably hard pressed to kick one out of the heats from him too.

King of Swing and Code Bailey massive.

They really need to have Nat driving on these big nights. Was she originally down for Chase Auckland and/or Self Assured?

[aussiebreno]

Must admit quarters didn't really give the others much chance.

[aussiebreno]

Field Marshall isn't quite the same horse.

Chariots, Newcastle Mile and Top 2 from races tonight qualify

1 Lochinvar Art
2 Majordan
3 King of Swing
4 Code Bailey
5 Alta Orlando
6 Field Marshall

Leaves two spots

A Gs White Socks a third tonight and a great season should get in.
Hail Christian was flying late tonight and in the Newcastle Mile so he should get in two for mine.

Black Prince and Sicario emergencies on basis next closest finishers in the qualifiers.

[Messenger]

I know it was set up by the Q1 burn but it was still nice to see Bright Energy come from behind instead of all the leader dominated races

[aussiebreno]

Lochinvar Art $3.00
King of Swing $5.00
Majordan $5.00
Code Bailey $7.00
Alta Orlando $9.00
Hail Christian $11.00
A Gs White Socks $13.00
Field Marshall $21.00

Based on my field selection being correct this is what I'd have the market at pre draw

[aussiebreno]

Hail Christian not even an emergency dear oh dear. Black Prince in ahead of him. No idea how that works. Both ran 4th tonight, but Hail Christian ran right past him at Newcastle.

Bettors Heart went great tonight but it was just a mares race and it was a blanket finish - its not like she dominated. Will run last or 2nd last. I'd mark her $31.

[Messenger]

I am thinking they may have had it in mind from the get go to put the Ladyship winner in if the time was good

[aussiebreno]

Last year Tell Me Tales was a much better run on MM heat night yet they pulled Chase Auckland from nowhere.

[aussiebreno]

I am thinking they may have had it in mind from the get go to put the Ladyship winner in if the time was good

Probably just reactionary based on last years feedback. After Bettor Hearts get beat easily next week they will probably bar the girls next year even if something wins with a leg in the air in 1.48.

[aussiebreno]

The week I finally don't give Dance Craze a chance of knocking off Tornado Valley is of course the week Dance Craze knocks off Tornado Valley

[Messenger]

I know they have a reputation for being controversial but putting in 4th ahead of 3rd would seem to have been too big a stretch for them
(even though his Newcastle Mile could have justified it)

[aussiebreno]

I know they have a reputation for being controversial but putting in 4th ahead of 3rd would seem to have been too big a stretch for them
(even though his Newcastle Mile could have justified it)

Black Prince ran 4th as well though Kev.

Black Princes 4th also got him 1st Emerg when Sicario ran 3rd and is 2nd Emerg so that point is also invalid.

[Messenger]

Sort of
Maybe they are totally driven by tonight's times of each individual thus the above

[aussiebreno]

Sort of
Maybe they are totally driven by tonight's times of each individual thus the above

I know you're just trying to read their minds but that also doesn't work because Bright Energy ran faster than Sicario! Its just completely nonsensical and I don't think its about controversy I just think they don't know how to select the best 8 horses or at least have some consistency in approach.

[aussiebreno]

Barrier Draw

1 A Gs White Socks
2 Field Marshall
3 Sicario (Emerg)
4 King of Swing
5 Code Bailey
6 Bettor Heart
7 Black Prince (1st Emerg)
8 Alta Orlando
9 Lochinvar Art
10 Majordan

[aussiebreno]

At first glance my market

Name Odds
4 King of Swing 2.8
1 A Gs White Socks 5
5 Code Bailey 5
9 Lochinvar Art 7
8 Alta Orlando 11
10 Majordan 13
2 Field Marshall 15
7 Black Prince (1st Emerg) 31
3 Sicario (2nd Emerg) 51
6 Bettor Heart 51

[aussiebreno]

TAB have went up pretty similar

https://www.tab.com.au/racing/2020-03-07/H/Menangle%20(NSW)/Miracle%20Mile

They have Lochinvar Art $4. Massive unders. Cant win from 9 and not sure where he lands - death wont be on offer with Code Bailey then throw in whatever Majordan does.

Field Marshall $7.50 is also silly. Started $4 in a weaker race tonight drawn the pole. Will end leaders backs back at best or more likely 3 fence so can run on nicely but on tonights run couldn't have him.

[aussiebreno]

In the MM consolation Hail Christian has come up $3.80 from gate #10, while testament to the fact he should have been in the field you cant win in fast miles from out wide at Menangle. Should not be $3.80. Bling It On wont be buried away pegs with them for one last crack so $6 is also a ridiculous price for him.

Our Uncle Sam the Grand Circuit performed horse draws 2 here instead of 10 last week, Hunter Cup shows he is every bit as good as King of Swing who is the MM favourite.

[arlington]

Hail Christian has been on the NSW Elevated TCO2 list since early December https://www.hrnsw.com.au/uploads/files/integrity%20notices/200303%20elevated%20tc02.pdf
Would you use your discretionary vote to add him to the MM?

[aussiebreno]

Hail Christian has been on the NSW Elevated TCO2 list since early December https://www.hrnsw.com.au/uploads/files/integrity%20notices/200303%20elevated%20tc02.pdf
Would you use your discretionary vote to add him to the MM?

If this is the reason he was omitted I retract all criticism!!

[aussiebreno]

In the MM consolation Hail Christian has come up $3.80 from gate #10, while testament to the fact he should have been in the field you cant win in fast miles from out wide at Menangle. Should not be $3.80. Bling It On wont be buried away pegs with them for one last crack so $6 is also a ridiculous price for him.

Our Uncle Sam the Grand Circuit performed horse draws 2 here instead of 10 last week, Hunter Cup shows he is every bit as good as King of Swing who is the MM favourite.

Sam driven like the best horse and wins. Bling does as expected.

Also how ridiculous is having Miracle Mile consolation as Gp1s and over 2400m

[aussiebreno]

At first glance my market

Name Odds
4 King of Swing 2.8
1 A Gs White Socks 5
5 Code Bailey 5
9 Lochinvar Art 7
8 Alta Orlando 11
10 Majordan 13
2 Field Marshall 15
7 Black Prince (1st Emerg) 31
3 Sicario (2nd Emerg) 51
6 Bettor Heart 51

He drifted from that $2.80 price. Seems silly now!

[Messenger]

Also how ridiculous is having Miracle Mile consolation as Gp1s and over 2400m

It makes ZERO sense Brendan (although I know which distance I prefer)

[Messenger]

I hope twitter is alive because the MM certainly does not appear to have created much excitement on here

[Mighty Atom]

I hope twitter is alive because the MM certainly does not appear to have created much excitement on here

Possibly so Kevin probably due to the fact that the right horse didn't win if one of the locals Lochinvar Art or Code Bailey had won they would have been singing their praises from one end of the Yarra to the other.

[Mighty Atom]

In the MM consolation Hail Christian has come up $3.80 from gate #10, while testament to the fact he should have been in the field you cant win in fast miles from out wide at Menangle. Should not be $3.80. Bling It On wont be buried away pegs with them for one last crack so $6 is also a ridiculous price for him.

Our Uncle Sam the Grand Circuit performed horse draws 2 here instead of 10 last week, Hunter Cup shows he is every bit as good as King of Swing who is the MM favourite.

Brendon what parallel universe are you living in Our Uncle Sam is every bit as good as King Of Swing? KOS has won more money in two starts than OUS has in his racing career. Sam was sucked along in a vortex over 2700 metres in Hunter Cup and still couldn't finish over the top of the King'
And as for being able to run 1:48 in front, Our Uncle has two chances Slim chance and none and Slim's outa town at the moment.

But I will say one thing King Of Swing would not have won the MM without the magic of the Craig Cross/Luke McCarthy combination. Give them a good horse and they will get the absolute best out of them.

[Danno]

Brendon what parallel universe are you living in Our Uncle Sam is every bit as good as King Of Swing? KOS has won more money in two starts than OUS has in his racing career. Sam was sucked along in a vortex over 2700 metres in Hunter Cup and still couldn't finish over the top of the King'
And as for being able to run 1:48 in front, Our Uncle has two chances Slim chance and none and Slim's outa town at the moment.

But I will say one thing King Of Swing would not have won the MM without the magic of the Craig Cross/Luke McCarthy combination. Give them a good horse and they will get the absolute best out of them.

Geez, talk about living in a parallel universe!! We can all get a bit parochial from time to time Rod and I reckon it's fair to say you have a s many runs on the board in that department as any other poster on this Forum. KOS got quite a few favours in the Hunter Cup and he got a couple last night as well, he's a great horse that is in the form of his life, that said to suggest Our Uncle Sam was "sucked along" in the Hunter Cup is ridiculous in the extreme, they were walking mate and KOS got home is sub 27 with OUS getting a crack for the last 200 metres of that quarter running him down with every stride and just missing the bickies. Reverse the barrier draws in the Hunter Cup, allow OUS to walk in front as KOS was allowed to and have some of the major challengers in that race held up as they were and there is NO DOUBT in my mind the results would be reversed.

Take a bex and have a good lie down mate.

Cheers,

Dan.

[aussiebreno]

Geez, talk about living in a parallel universe!! We can all get a bit parochial from time to time Rod and I reckon it's fair to say you have a s many runs on the board in that department as any other poster on this Forum. KOS got quite a few favours in the Hunter Cup and he got a couple last night as well, he's a great horse that is in the form of his life, that said to suggest Our Uncle Sam was "sucked along" in the Hunter Cup is ridiculous in the extreme, they were walking mate and KOS got home is sub 27 with OUS getting a crack for the last 200 metres of that quarter running him down with every stride and just missing the bickies. Reverse the barrier draws in the Hunter Cup, allow OUS to walk in front as KOS was allowed to and have some of the major challengers in that race held up as they were and there is NO DOUBT in my mind the results would be reversed.

Take a bex and have a good lie down mate.

Cheers,

Dan.

Perfect reply Danno

Not to mention the previous 18 months when Sam was off winning and running countless placing against the best while King wasn't performing great in Perth FFAs.

Note he waited until AFTER the one performance where you can say King might be better to post !

Tip winner who drifted to $6 and marked King on at top @$2.80 who drifted to better than $3.6 and still get a gobfull!

Maybe he is bitter Sam made Galactic Star look 2nd rate, after all GS had the perfect suck run and couldn't run him down :p

[aussiebreno]

Possibly so Kevin probably due to the fact that the right horse didn't win if one of the locals Lochinvar Art or Code Bailey had won they would have been singing their praises from one end of the Yarra to the other.

They are Vics. Not locals. A horse trained in NSW won....

[Mighty Atom]

They are Vics. Not locals. A horse trained in NSW won....

You obviously ignored the comment I gave Craig Cross and Luke McCarthy. By the way Harness Link News: Western Australian pacer King Of Swing wins Miracle Mile,



West Australian pacer King Of Swing defied all the efforts of star four-year-old Lochinvar Art to run him down as he scored a stirring two-and-a-half metre win over the Chariots Of Fire winner with the winner's stablemate Alta Orlando a head back in third place.

The winner ran a stunning 1:48.0 mile to join an elite list of pacers to have won the Hunter Cup and the Miracle Mile in the same season.

King Of Swing also joined champions such as Mount Eden, Royal Force, Pure Steel, Preux Chevalier, Village Kid and Norms Daughter who have made the long journey from Western Australia to win Australasia's greatest sprint race.

Have another strong cup of coffee it will help you wake up.

[aussiebreno]

I'm at a loss to know where to even go from here.

[Mighty Atom]

Perfect reply Danno

Not to mention the previous 18 months when Sam was off winning and running countless placing against the best while King wasn't performing great in Perth FFAs.

Note he waited until AFTER the one performance where you can say King might be better to post !

Tip winner who drifted to $6 and marked King on at top @$2.80 who drifted to better than $3.6 and still get a gobfull!

Maybe he is bitter Sam made Galactic Star look 2nd rate, after all GS had the perfect suck run and couldn't run him down :p

Don't wind me up with those dodgy barrier draws over there Galactic Star barrier 10 had to burn from the outside to get to the front week before barrier 10 Our Alfie Romeo hasn't faired much better with the barrier draws her run on Saturday was a big effort. Galactic Star is not our best horse in WA
and probably his best form is behind him. You've not only stitched up our harness horses our thoroughbreds haven't faired any better Superstorm barrier 7 out of 8 and Regal Power barrier 12 on Saturday so why anybody would want to go over to the Eastern States hell holes beats me, Thank goodness for Western Australia relatively few bushfires no flooding deluges we are the only state now that can truly claim Queensland's old title of '' beautiful one day perfect the next''. By the way, Our Uncle Sam didn't do too well when drawing the outside barrier last Sat week. The horse drew barrier 2 on Sat.

[aussiebreno]

What about the dodgy inside back row draws Galactic Star copped in both the Freo and WA Cups. Cost him victory in both especially the WA Cup. Dodgy barriers!

He is clearly WAs best horse (unless you're still claiming a NZ bred trained in NSW).

[Mighty Atom]

What about the dodgy inside back row draws Galactic Star copped in both the Freo and WA Cups. Cost him victory in both especially the WA Cup. Dodgy barriers!

He is clearly WAs best horse (unless you're still claiming a NZ bred trained in NSW).

All our best horses have been NZ bred have been for many years never made a secret of the fact and yes they do cop bad draws here but it's a consistent pattern over east.

You do realize brenno that every now and then I have to throw a spanner into the works to save the forum from becoming mundane and boring I'll get back to ya down the track.

[aussiebreno]

Our Uncle Sam did ok drawing #10 in the ID final when Galactic Star drew 1 Rod.

[Mighty Atom]

Our Uncle Sam did ok drawing #10 in the ID final when Galactic Star drew 1 Rod.

Wasn't that the final where Galactic Star copped severe interference which knocked him virtually out of the race can't remember whose fault it was incompetence by the driver of GS or the driver of the horse when Galactic Star contacted the wheel. Any way just watched what the drivers said Anthony Frisby: had a bit of luck got a nice trail into the race and he ran on well just to put a better perspective into the race. Couldn't find the actual race just a video about what the drivers said talking to just about everybody except what Ryan Warwick had to say typical eastern states bias. Galactic Star did go into the final as one of the top qualifiers.

[aussiebreno]

Wasn't that the final where Galactic Star copped severe interference which knocked him virtually out of the race can't remember whose fault it was incompetence by the driver of GS or the driver of the horse when Galactic Star contacted the wheel. Any way just watched what the drivers said Anthony Frisby: had a bit of luck got a nice trail into the race and he ran on well just to put a better perspective into the race. Couldn't find the actual race just a video about what the drivers said talking to just about everybody except what Ryan Warwick had to say typical eastern states bias. Galactic Star did go into the final as one of the top qualifiers.
Warwick did the same thing he did in the Freo Cup. Tried to take a run that wasn't there. WA drivers eh :cool:

[Messenger]

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX151218#MXM15121801

It certainly was a costly mistake by Warwick that night Rod

[Mighty Atom]

Warwick did the same thing he did in the Freo Cup. Tried to take a run that wasn't there. WA drivers eh :cool:

Ryan Warwick, in my opinion, is overrated as a driver when you are driving the best horses in races they can make average look good. True about WA drivers they can put the fear into the hearts of some visitors especially Chris Voak best driver in the state in my opinion.

[Mighty Atom]

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX151218#MXM15121801

It certainly was a costly mistake by Warwick that night Rod

Hi Kev, Thanks for the replay. GS couldn't have beaten Tiger Tara in a fit but from 1 had every chance to run a place and in finishing 6th after all of that was a pretty good effort. Amateur drive

[aussiebreno]

Agreed WA drivers are average Rod.

Willie Pike is up to 0/32 in Melbourne now I am led to believe.

[Mighty Atom]

Agreed WA drivers are average Rod.

Willie Pike is up to 0/32 in Melbourne now I am led to believe.

No, Brendan, I didn't say they were average would you call the likes of Chris Lewis, Chris Voak, Gary Hall Jnr, Kim Prentice, Colin Brown and many more average? don't think so. We just like to cut your eastern state's drivers down to size.

Agree on William Pike he just hasn't worked out the differences in tracks over there especially Flemington. He rides on two tracks here Ascot and Belmont.

[aussiebreno]

No, Brendan, I didn't say they were average would you call the likes of Chris Lewis, Chris Voak, Gary Hall Jnr, Kim Prentice, Colin Brown and many more average? don't think so. We just like to cut your eastern state's drivers down to size.


Just stirring Rod

[arlington]

Wasn't too bad a ride to get within a length of the Alligator but Willie's jumped off and on to one with a 3kg turnaround. Got to love Alligator Blood but Willie could be cursing Mark Zahra come Saturday night. 0/33 ;)

[aussiebreno]

Wasn't too bad a ride to get within a length of the Alligator but Willie's jumped off and on to one with a 3kg turnaround. Got to love Alligator Blood but Willie could be cursing Mark Zahra come Saturday night. 0/33 ;)

Wide gate, will go back as per racing pattern, few plodders in the field he can get stuck behind. I see where this is going!

[Mighty Atom]

Wide gate, will go back as per racing pattern, few plodders in the field he can get stuck behind. I see where this is going!

I know this is a harness racing forum but Superstorm is a rising star the barrier cost him the race. Bob Peters has had some huge offers for him but I think Grant will have a word in his ear.

[Messenger]

Bob Peters doesn't need the money or else you take huge offers IMO. We are talking about a gelding and all horses are a race to race proposition. Not quite in the same class but take colt Thought Of That, bred in the purple and looking like a huge prospect after a Gp3 win 3 starts ago - yesterday/now ?!

[aussiebreno]

I know this is a harness racing forum but Superstorm is a rising star the barrier cost him the race. Bob Peters has had some huge offers for him but I think Grant will have a word in his ear.

Barrier gifted Regal Power the race :cool:

Pike actually rode a really good race. Kept Melody Belle pocketed at a crucial time.

[aussiebreno]

Bob Peters doesn't need the money or else you take huge offers IMO. We are talking about a gelding and all horses are a race to race proposition. Not quite in the same class but take colt Thought Of That, bred in the purple and looking like a huge prospect after a Gp3 win 3 starts ago - yesterday/now ?!

He might even be beyond a massive Ciaron Maher form turnaround as have been happening pretty often of late. E.g. Prague in Sydney yesterday.

[arlington]

Barrier gifted Regal Power the race :cool:

Pike actually rode a really good race. Kept Melody Belle pocketed at a crucial time.

Vic has a new Coat of Arms - same as WA's with Willie blossoming into the black swan.

The harness forum quinella ;) :D