Goodform Gameplan

[Messenger]

I am not talking about the minus $280 last night (it happens)

I am talking about the disgusting lack of care taken in writing these tips up

R3 They suggested $60 worth of Trifectas BUT THE NUMBERS POSTED ARE COMPLETELY WRONG
(lost anyway)

"I love this race as an exotic betting proposition because I’m exceedingly confident of the Map and that it’s not a Map that everyone will necessarily agree with. The way I see things panning out IM NO OUTLAW (5) will scream to the front and be followed across by ROCKNROLL RONNIE (6) who should quickly take up the running. Should I be right then ROCKNROLL RONNIE (6) is an over-the-line job and the minors should be fought out between YANKEE LINCOLN (5) and IM NO OUTLAW (6) in the trail. We’ll stagger a sever Trick in case one of those latter runners underperforms but I suspect if we nail the aggressive exotics there’ll be something decent in it for us.

SUGGESTED BETS:

Flexi Trifecta: 2/ 1,6/ 1,6: $40 gets 2000%

Flexi Trifecta: 2/ 1,6/ 2,3: $20 gets 500%"

[Messenger]

Then in their Early Quaddie tips they made a mistake or typo that pros should never make

If you look at their main ones you will see that they must have meant to include number 2 for the 2nd leg of their wider play but somehow left it out (not that it mattered – luckily they got away with it) But slack service to their readers/followers again

"4/ 2/ 6/ 3,7,8: $32 gets 1066.67%

4/ 2/ 6/ 1,2: $5 gets 250%

4/ 1,6/ 6/ 3,7,8: $18 gets 300%

4/ 1,6/ 6/ 1,2: $3 gets 75%

3,6/ 1,6/ 6/ 3,7,8: $36 gets 300%

3,6/ 1,6/ 6/ 1,2: $6 gets 75%"

[Messenger]

For those of you that took JB's $500 worth of bets
You would be happy with getting the main Quad 10 times and returning a profit of $378 on the night

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX300520

[Messenger]

Unbelievable - they have done it again ie Got their numbers wrong

SO UNPROFESSIONAL

BUT this time a punter following their tips
Would have got the Quaddie by mistake tonight at Melton

Blake only took 2 in the last leg but he assigned his second pick Imperial Whiz the number of his third pick Scallywag Sam

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/the-goodform-gameplan-tabcorp-park-melton-friday-12th-june/

'SAMMY SHOWDOWN (5) is worth forgiving out of last start and in the small field he should be a bit too sharp for his rivals late. That said, IMPERIAL WHIZ (3) will give a good sight out front so with SCALLYWAG SAM (2) the clear next best, it’s a good race to be involved through the multiples."


His Quaddie numbers

1,2,3,4/5/1/5 for $30 gets 750%

1,2,3,4/5/1/3 for $10 gets 250%

1,2,3,4/5/8/5 for $10 gets 250%

1,2,3,4/8/1/5 for $10 gets 250%

1,2,3,4/8/1/3 for $5 gets 125%

1,2,3,4/6/1/5 for $5 gets 125%

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX120620#MXC12062007

[Messenger]

JB had a good result with his suggested bets at Shep tonight
Got the $220 Early Quaddie twice for $170 profit (only one little typo :rolleyes:)
In R7 he got his main Trifecta 16 times (x $10.70) for $131 profit
Didn't suggest anything in a couple of races and a couple of others did not meet his required odds

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/the-goodform-gameplan-shepparton-saturday-13th-june/

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=SP130620

[Messenger]

JB is definitely winning the tipping. No collects for Blake tonight at Shep (-$258)

[Messenger]

JB gets off to a flyer in R1 at Melton tonight
I hope some got on as his betting plan went up very late tonight
$10 each way on Julius Tigres makes a profit of $119 tote
Interesting to note that apart from the second favourite The Fortunate Son, the Tote odds were much better than the Fixed

[Messenger]

Follows up with $234 profit on the early Quaddie. (R4 Trifectas a hiccup - $60 worth for only a $32 return)

[Messenger]

A bit over ambitious in the main Quaddie - only taking 4 combinations for $25 each and out after the first leg so have given $100 back

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/the-goodform-gameplan-tabcorp-park-melton-saturday-20th-june/

[Messenger]

Ballarat tonight another night without a collect for Blake
$90 worth of Quaddies and misses the $37 Quaddie which was pretty much all the favourites

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/the-goodform-gameplan-ballarat-friday-3rd-july/

[Messenger]

Maybe Blake doing Saturday night instead of Friday will work (He has had a dismal run)
He started with a good winner in Jamieson Steele and when I saw his Goodform plan go up this afternoon he was still $8 fixed odds on the TAB

[Messenger]

$540 worth of suggested bets tonight including $140 on Early Quaddie (a treble thanks to Ride High in the last leg)
At least it is JB's selections not Blake :eek:

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/the-goodform-gameplan-bendigo-saturday-1st-august/

[Messenger]

Blake Redden's terrible tipping continues in the first at Melton today
(has he had a single Friday meet where he has shown a profit?)
His no.1 tip failed but not only that - he is out of the early quaddie
It is in Quaddies that we some absurd confidence
Taking only 3 quaddies for $10 each
3x1x1x1
And does not even get the first leg
Edit: He did not get a single leg

HRV should think about giving the job to someone else
I wouldn't be such a harsh critic but it is the way these young fellas suggest you throw your money around that IMO demands that they must be judged on results

[Messenger]

A fired-up Friday GoodForm Panel featuring Jason Bonnington, Blake Redden and Cody Winnell yesterday on SENTrack with the boys joined by leading trainer-driver Mick Stanley, who made a case as to why Boncel Benjamin looked terrific value at the $11 priced by Bonnington.
Boncel Benjamin is $6.5 into $3.2 with TAB fixed odds, suggesting some big punters are standing with Stanley!

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/fired-up-friday-goodform-panel-podcast/

So in actual fact the horse never was $11
The last column does not have a Title, maybe we should call it Fiction

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=SP150820#SPC15082002

[Messenger]

I am not sure what this means for Ride High's race
JB's only taking 4 first four combinations and saying "punters being a little too aggressive and a little too bullish" may help
so is he saying that many will take only 6-5-3-4 or 6-5-4-3
and so he is saying he is really hoping/betting on 1 getting fourth and the first 4 paying $8 so his $60 outlay returns $120

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/the-goodform-gameplan-shepparton-saturday-15th-august/

[Messenger]

I got thinking about the above after the race
The Exacta was a given
That just left 3rd and 4th
If you knew that one horse was not going to run 3rd or 4th - lets say one of the favoured ones like No.4 Courageous Saint
You only have to take 6 combinations to cover all the possibilites
6/5/1,2,3/1,2,3
Put $1k on each
Ends up the First Four pays $24.90
After an outlay of $6k you collect about $25k
A profit of $19k is tidy
Turns out Courageous Saint never looked like running anything other than 5th or 6th

[Messenger]

We all know I can be critical LOL
But I would like to add that I like the Goodform concept but not for what it is intended
I like the fact that it gives the non-punters or virutual non-punters something more to follow :)

[Messenger]

I am not sure who the target market is for writing Goodform but Jason Bonnington has to make it reader friendly
In his assessment of the last at Terang he writes
"when MBL kick in then jump aboard the train"
It took me a while to figure it out as Michael Braun (Limited) is not the listed trainer of Willie Go West

[Mytwobobsworth]

I am not sure who the target market is for writing Goodform but Jason Bonnington has to make it reader friendly
In his assessment of the last at Terang he writes
"when MBL kick in then jump aboard the train"
It took me a while to figure it out as Michael Braun (Limited) is not the listed trainer of Willie Go West


Who????

Are you sure he wasn’t referring to minimum bet limits?

[Messenger]

Michael Braun ex-trainer who relegated the duties to Amanda Grieve

[Yabbie]

Michael Braun ex-trainer who relegated the duties to Amanda Grieve



I think you are referring to DEAN Braun, not Michael


I also agree that the reference to MBL is minimum betting limits

[Messenger]

Thanks Carol and John - you are of course right

In my defence, I was getting Dean mixed up with a young man named Michael Braun that I once knew

What does " if you witness a push for WILLIE GO WEST (3) when MBL kick in then jump aboard the train." mean

[Mytwobobsworth]

Thanks Carol and John - you are of course right

In my defence, I was getting Dean mixed up with a young man named Michael Braun that I once knew

What does " if you witness a push for WILLIE GO WEST (3) when MBL kick in then jump aboard the train." mean


You can’t get on for any decent amount until the minimum bet limits kick in (dont ask me when that is) so after that when the serious punters can operate if the horse shortens follow the money trail and GET ON!!!

All this only further backs up your original point, Joe Blow the average $2 punter would have have no idea what he was talking about.
As a general rule I think Jason is one of the better judges and form students in the country but at times he does drink a bit to much of his bath water and thinks he’s the coolest cat going around.
As for his mate (Blake) lets just say id have more faith in my dog reading a race.

[Messenger]

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/the-goodform-gameplan-tabcorp-park-melton-friday-25th-september/

Blake Redden must be on half pay OR his confidence is shot

[BlakeRedden]

Appreciate the feedback Kevin.

[Messenger]

Sorry Blake but you are showing just how hard it is to find a winner

[Messenger]

I should reinforce what I said in post 17 - I think Goodform is great for giving only occasional punters like myself something to follow
To be fair, it may only take one big quaddie to wipe out a couple of months of losses

ps I realize everyone can adjust the suggested bets to suit their budget but I can also imagine it being good for an on-course punters club where a number of people have chipped in a small amount

[Messenger]

Nice one Blake - took a single early quaddie at Ballarat 20 times = 20 x $7.30 = $126 profit

[Messenger]

JB finished up a little thanks to getting half the quaddie (although losing $100 on the early quaddie was his worst result)
He had quite a few collects but could not get the trifecta's to pay him a decent return
Not that it would have made him much but in R3 he told it exactly right that 8 & 13 were the only ones that could beat his no.9 but despite taking plenty of combos he never took 8-13-9

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/goodform-gameplan-melton-sat-10th-october/

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX101020#MXM10102007

[Messenger]

Blake get off to a flyer getting the R1 Tri 20 times for a profit of $162

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/goodform-gameplan-melton-fri-23rd-october/

[gutwagon]

To be fair Kevin if picking winners was easy we would all be doing it for a living ! They love you when you get it right and hate you when you get it wrong. Even the best tipsters will be wrong more than they are right !

I do find it annoying when they call your filly "He" in the form analysis !

[Messenger]

I was serious about him getting off to a flyer - great tipping and he followed it up with a suggested win bet on Maajida and a place bet on Sumomentsomewhere

[Messenger]

Media and Communications Manager Cody Winnell has done the Goodform for Melton tonight after Blake Redden left the building (good luck in whatever you have moved to Blake)

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/goodform-gameplan-melton-fri-20th-november/

[Messenger]

Cody found out how tough a gig it is
He actually wrote up a couple of winners but they were not his bet

A $30 winner in the early Quad and a $60 winner in the main quad are going to put the skids under most

ps I enjoyed following your suggestions just the same Cody albeit with my Monopoly money

[Mytwobobsworth]

Media and Communications Manager Cody Winnell has done the Goodform for Melton tonight after Blake Redden left the building (good luck in whatever you have moved to Blake)

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/goodform-gameplan-melton-fri-20th-november/

Hase Blake finished up? I must have missed that.

[Messenger]

I heard that he resigned and left on Wednesday, 3 days before tonight's big night

[Messenger]

JB did OK as usual but Dan Mielicki was the star tipster without spending much

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/breeders-crown-bon-adam-gareth-and-dans-200-game-plans/

His only miss was his roughie that ran 4th at $41
His $70 all up had to clear $190, his value bet had to make $70
He made another $82 with a 25% share of the early Quaddie
and even made $5 out of the Quaddie

[Messenger]

The plan did not go to plan again last night
Cody should have got off to a good start in R1 but did not make it a bet because he was working on it being shorter than it started
I suggest you state what odds you would take your selection at Cody as you can never be certain of the market and once again it cost you (you were confident about it but did not predict the market favouring you)
Some may have got Jamieson Steele at $6.50+, I don't know as I didn't follow the market but it did start only $4 so some may have followed the rules and missed the collect
Then again some may have missed the Star of Memphis trap as she started much shorter than you were told to take

Overall, I reckon it should be toned down a bit so that we are not talking about a $500 spend if followed in its entirety or else you have to have a professional punter/assessor doing the tips.
We should be a little careful as it isn't just banter, we are publishing it and calling it Goodform.
If we were to hold a competition on the forum using Monopoly money - that would be completely different
Units are a thing of the past as we know so any bet can be for a set amount of dollars and a percentage
I know people with less disposable income can choose to bet less but in order to be seen as a responsible organization I think we should write it up for less and let those with more disposable income bet more if they choose to
Maybe we have to be more circumspect about trying to get quadies and trifectas 10 times and missing

I repeat - I enjoy following it BUT just as TrotsVision has continued to evolve and get better and better, so can Goodform

[Messenger]

JB back in the hot seat but only one small collect and -$454 for the night
Rob Auber on Trots Vision may have pointed some in the right direction

[Messenger]

Goodform had Nikkita Ross and Cody Winnell give their selections for the 10 races at Melton

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/goodform-panel-ross-winnell-selections-for-tabcorp-park-melton/

1 winner to Nikkita ($2.30) and 0 for Cody
Cody was around the mark as the horses he picked for 2nd won 6 times

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX191220

[Messenger]

Once again they have not got the numbers right in Goodform tonight
I am assuming so anyway as JB is talking about Glenavril King (3) in his write up but he has no.2 (the stablemate) in his tri's

It may have cost some punters a payout as 600% of 4-7-3 paid $151

[Messenger]

$650 worth of bets suggested by JB tonight - they must pay him well
We might need a 'Gamble Responsibly' message stating these suggestions should not be followed in full unless you are earning about $500k a year
After all with gambling you have to allow for losing it all and you should not be gambling 10% of your income

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/goodform-gameplan-melton-sat-3rd-april/

[Messenger]

Beginners mistake not to have 2-7-8 as well

[Messenger]

JB would also admit for another $10 he should also have taken 10/2,4,7/1
and would have been $300+ better off for it

[Messenger]

He is having one of those nights although he did make $200 on the Tri in R8
He didn't like the fav in the 3rd leg of the Quaddie and after the scratching took 6 of the 9 runners - if he takes the field for a few dollars more he gets a % of the $1,900, maybe even $900 worth

Tonight shows there is a fine line between Hero and Zero

[Messenger]

JB had a good night at Melton last night despite a couple of mistakes! (I think it wasn't posted until very late as I did not see it until after the event)
A few winners AND both the main Quaddie

BUT if you looked at his Early Quaddie, he just had to take 6,7,9/1,8,10/1,4,6/2 for a minimum of 66% (probably twice this) as he took his lesser liked 6,7,9/4,9,11/1,4,6/2 for 66%. This oversight cost him $350 to $700

and in the R8 Tri he would have been kicking himself for not having at least a couple of units on 7/2,6/1 costing him $100+

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/goodform-gameplan-melton-sat-24th-april/

I think JB has to slow down and check his numbers

[Messenger]

Great to see it posted nice and early today

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/goodform-gameplan-melton-sat-8th-may/

[Messenger]

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/goodform-gameplan-melton-sat-29th-may/

This is why I would never make a serious punter. Obviously JB follows them 10 times more closely than I do but I wouldn't be game to be trying to get the R5 Tri 20 times or be happy backing Khafaji at $2.70 when his stablemate is $1.65, even if he is awkwardly drawn

[Messenger]

JB has had a good night tonight - a couple of winners and a share of both quaddies

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/goodform-gameplan-melton-sat-26th-june/

[Messenger]

JB says he is backing 3 horses in R3 but only names 2 :confused:

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/goodform-gameplan-bendigo-sat-3rd-july/

[Messenger]

If you took JBs $120 Quaddie at Kilmore tonight you got a very handsome $1,377

[Messenger]

It is probably just a coincidence that JB has no suggested bets for the 3 trots races at Geelong tonight

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/goodform-gameplan-geelong-saturday-september-4/

[Messenger]

JB made a good profit out of the final of his main Quaddie options for Kilmore Cup night
Taking $90 worth he got 12.5% of $3,749.60 = $468.70

He also made $221 on R9 Tri's

Had $30 on Amazing Dream and maybe $10EW on The Penny Drops if you could get the price he wanted

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/goodform-gameplan-kilmore-friday-september-24/

[Messenger]

We cannot be getting these things wrong (and potentially peeing off a convert)

Amore Vita is Race 5 No.1

[Messenger]

Jason Bonnington has been very careless tonight (he is telling people how to bet but getting his numbers wrong!)
Here are his tips

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/bon-ups-the-stakes-with-300-tabcorp-park-game-plan/

Note his saver Quaddies

He has put 2,7,9,10 for the 3rd leg - these clearly cannot be right as there is only 9 starters

But it is hard to know what numbers he wanted as the %'s he is taking do not make sense for him taking 2,3, or 4 runners in that leg - we will say he got the 3rd leg as his top selection won BUT for what % who knows

[Messenger]

PP has been pitting himself against JB for the last 3 weeks and has been winning very decisively

JB is -$420 (possibly < -$400 if you give him a small % of last night's quaddie)

PP is +$490

[Messenger]

No tips up from JB yet - maybe he has conceded
Archie seems to be trying to blow him out of the water, having a look at the price of some of his tips

ps I have used the current TAB Fixed Odds as the pools are too small to use the Tote Odds

[Messenger]

These were JB's tips

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/bon-takes-aim-at-tabcorp-park-with-wide-ranging-game-plan/

He had some collects but did not quite get his $300 back

While Archie made $380 profit. Love Ina Chevy at $13.90 was a Big result for him (plus Von Art at $3.10)

[Messenger]

I don't watch Burning Questions because I don't need another dose of the supposed 'guru' (yep, that is how they describe him in the spiel even though he has not come close to breaking even for 4 weeks in a row)
But what I have missed out on is that Nikita Ross's best bet has come up 7 weeks in a row!
Time for Nikita to take over the Goodform Game Plan me thinks

[Messenger]

It seems to me that JB put up his plan VERY VERY late tonight
Maybe he was trying to avoid a contest with PP (no tips up for PP possibly as a result of this, he generally follow JBs lead as to how much they are betting with)
Oh Well it may have been a big mistake by JB as he has got off to a good start (I didn't see his plan until after R1 and I had been looking for it)

[Messenger]

JB has had a night out

He spent $70 to get the Early Quaddie 3 times 3x$24 =$72 so only $2 profit
He spent $30 to get the R3 First Four 2½ times 2½x$17 = $43 so only $13 profit
He spent $20 to get the R4 Tri twice 2x$21 = $42 so $22 profit
His biggie was $20 spent to get the R2 Tri twice 2x$62 = $124 so $104 profit
and having $10EW on Sassyola for a $90 return and a profit of $70
He spent $70 on the Quaddie to get half of $894 = $447 for $377 profit
$7 profit on an each way bet

So the best part of $600 profit on his $300 outlay

ps Does anybody know what Nikita's best bet was?

[Messenger]

I am going to keep tabs on how JB goes
I didn't see his tips until this morning (up late?)

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/bonningtons-300-game-plan-for-tabcorp-park/

$300 outlay for one return of $80 (5xTri)

- $220