Douglas and Tormey Found Guilty of tubing on Inter night but 4yrs later set aside

[Messenger]

925 days and although disqualified they have served no time except for delays between stays
They continue to win races and make one question the integrity in harness racing
assisted by trainers and owners who do not care and still support them

I will update the count until we have a conclusion
For details see the following thread

http://www.harnessracingforum.com/showthread.php?13265-Glenn-Douglas-and-Ellen-Tormey-charged

post 36 states their disqualification

Of course we know that Mr Asbestos has done worse and only received 6mths for that

[Messenger]

4 winners to the Disqualified one last night

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=ML210421

[Showgrounds]

4 winners to the Disqualified one last night

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=ML210421

Ah, the tube-ee not the tube-ee.

Julie Douglas must be an easy going person.

[Messenger]

Thread title amended as now (22/04/21) 874 days

[Messenger]

From the Supreme Court

Conclusion
82 Leave to appeal should be granted and the appeal allowed. In place of the
orders of the primary judge, the appeal to the Trial Division should be allowed and
the decision of VCAT that it lacked jurisdiction should be set aside. We will hear the
parties as to costs.


http://www.harness.org.au/news/uploads/CofA%20-%20Douglas%20Tormey%20v%20HRV%20-%202021%20VSCA%201281.pdf

And so it continues, skimmed the 27 page ruling - you're a better person than me if you can be bothered doing more

[Showgrounds]

Read it all and it sounds like a duty statement for a legal clerk. Spend a few months trolling for legal precedents, take a months animal leave and start again.

[Adaptor]

From the Supreme Court

Conclusion
82 Leave to appeal should be granted and the appeal allowed. In place of the
orders of the primary judge, the appeal to the Trial Division should be allowed and
the decision of VCAT that it lacked jurisdiction should be set aside. We will hear the
parties as to costs.


http://www.harness.org.au/news/uploads/CofA%20-%20Douglas%20Tormey%20v%20HRV%20-%202021%20VSCA%201281.pdf

And so it continues, skimmed the 27 page ruling - you're a better person than me if you can be bothered doing more

I read the ruling, but it defeated me.
Could someone more skilled with legalese explain what this means for the parties involved now please?

[Messenger]

Noel, it means that they can appeal their disqualifications to VCAT so who knows how long the wait for that may be

[Messenger]

901 days ( 19/05/21) and still going, with the latest development I reckon we will get to 1,000

[Messenger]

Glenn must have 'mended some fences' ;) with Julie as he is back as the main driver lately

915 days (5/06/21)

[Messenger]

925 days (15/06/21)

Glenn featured heavily in Saturday's Stewards Report but only copped 7 days and nothing for the 2 times he dropped a foot in consecutive races . Thousands of drives but obviously struggling with his balance

RACE 5 – ALLIED EXPRESS PACE (1720 MS)

Driver Olivia Weidenbach was accepted as a late driving change on Smart Little Shard as listed driver Michelle Phillips had been injured.

Smart Little Shard hung in under pressure rounding the final turn and contacted marker pegs.

The all clear for this race was delayed to allow stewards to view the footage of the concluding stages in relation to 2nd placed Crime Writer racing over marker pegs. Upon review stewards were satisfied that no advantage had been gained to the detriment of any other runner and all clear was given on the judge’s numbers. At a subsequent inquiry driver James Herbertson (Santa Casa Beach) was cautioned for tightening the racing room of Crime Writer over the concluding stages of the race which resulted in Crime Writer contacting the final two marker pegs.

Driver Glenn Douglas (Torrid Saint) pleaded guilty to a charge under Rule 163(1)(a)(iii) for causing interference. The particulars of the charge being that Mr Douglas directed Torrid Saint outwards on entering the home straight on the final occasion when insufficiently clear of Still Hungover (Alex Ashwood) which resulted in that mare being checked and gallop. Jamison Steele was also inconvenienced in this incident. Mr Douglas’ licence to drive in races was suspended for a period of 7 days to commence midnight 12 June 2021. In assessing penalty stewards took into consideration the incident, Mr Douglas’ forthright evidence and guilty plea, his very good driving record in relation to this rule and the HRV minimum penalty guidelines.

No action was taken against driver Glenn Douglas (Torrid Saint) after his right foot accidentally slipped momentarily from the sulky footrest while driving out over the concluding stages. In not taking action stewards were mindful that no contact was made with the legs of Torrid Saint, that Mr Douglas immediately corrected his foot back to the sulky footrest and the accidental nature of the incident.

Driver Glenn Douglas (Torrid Saint) was fined $200 under Rule 156(2)(a) for his unapproved whip use in that he applied the whip with more than a wrist only flicking action in the home straight on the final occasion.

RACE 6 – MIMOSA HOMES PACE (2240 MS)

Driver Glenn Douglas (Would You Mind NZ) was issued with a caution for allowing his left foot to drop from the sulky footrest momentarily in the home straight.

Pocket Thedeal NZ was held up for a clear run rounding the home turn before utilising the sprint lane over the concluding stages to finish in 4th placing.

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/stewards-reports/stewards-reports-detail/?mc=MX120621

[Messenger]

1,000 Days (29/8/21)

since Douglas and Tormey tubed a trotter on Interdom night

And sentences still not served!

The sentence can be found here

https://www.harness.org.au/media-room/news-article/?news_id=42327

[Messenger]

Poor old Glenn, when Gareth Hall said to him before the Smoken Up Sprint that Torrid Saint had to be the most improved horse in the country
Glenn said, He doesn't get a lot of hype - probably the stable he is connected with
Dam right

1,034 days (2/10/21)

[Showgrounds]

Just reminded me of the HRSA media release pre-last Christmas that Amanda Turnbull would be charged for sending horses to race in Adelaide in the care of her disqualified, disreputable and unlicensed partner. How is that progressing, people? Any chance the charges will be laid before Amanda takes residency at an aged care facility?

[Messenger]

1,102 Days (9/12/2021)

since Douglas and Tormey tubed a trotter on Interdom night

And sentences still not served!

[Showgrounds]

Thanks for keeping tabs on this case Kev. On the eve of the 2021 Inter-Dominion Championship grand finals it is a disgrace to the sport (I cannot lower myself to call it an industry) that the legal system has been twisted to such a degree that Douglas and Tormey can be still competing. Worse, I am unaware of HRV having made any statement or public explanation as to why the guilty pair are allowed to compete and what the term "stay of proceedings" means. Just silence.

My own, uneducated understanding of the term is courts may halt proceedings (a) permanently, indefinitely or to a specified date and (b) is used when the court believes some abuse of procedures might have occurred. We have not been told the status of the stay of proceedings or the circumstances of any perceived abuse of procedures. Fill us in HRV, just to stop us mumbling under our breath every time either of them has a win.

In NSW, Amanda Turnbull is training under a stay of proceedings having pleaded guilty and receiving a 3 month penalty for a second offence to the same banned substance. It is amazing that, having pleaded guilty, she then took an appeal to court! No worries on that, either, from HRNSW. And, while we are venting, put a candle on the cup cake for the first birthday of HRSA publicly stating Amanda would be charged for allowing an unlicensed person to take a small team of her horses to train in Adelaide. Charges maybe laid when I win 1st division of Lotto. The complete closure of the sport in SA looks a red hot certainty to occur before I claim the Lotto, alas.

[Messenger]

I think I will change the title again as it just dawned on me that 1,102 is over 3yrs :eek:

[Messenger]

It is now 1,284 days since the alleged tubing (over 3½ yrs)
My last update from the stewards was that it would likely resume before VCAT in the middle of this year

[Showgrounds]

It's become a bit of an each way bet for me as what will happen first. Douglas and Tormey finally fronting VCAT or St Kilda winning a second premiership? Unbelievable as it sounds the Saints look a good thing, in this two-horse race, for the first time in history. The wheels of justice have seized in Victoria.

[Messenger]

R9 at Bendigo tonight

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=BN240622#BNC24062205

Note the owner
Clearly not worried about being disqualified and on a stay

[Messenger]

peterprofit.com is reporting that HRV are dropping all the charges against Douglas and Tormey

I am not sure how they do that when they have found them guilty and disqualified them for 2 yrs and 1½ yrs in December 2019 as seen below

https://www.harness.org.au/media-room/news-article/?news_id=42327

[Messenger]

Still nothing in official media - no reply from Chief Steward, polite non-answer from HRV
Nobody is denying it - I think they just want it to go away - sorry, it is not going to happen without a detailed release

[Showgrounds]

Don't despair, Frank is on the case!

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=frank+drebin+move+along&docid=607997104146679204&mid=B8686C5B27AB3C99899BB8686C5B27AB3C99899B&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

[thepacingman]

HRV will not put out a statement. If they are dropping the charges then won't hear anything until the next court date whenever that is. Unless there is a leak. "As the matter is before the courts blah-blah-blah".

[Messenger]

There has now been an official announcement

At the request of both parties, VCAT set aside the decision of the HRV RAD Board made on 11 December 2019 and dismissed both the charge laid against Ms Tormey under Australian Harness Racing Rule (AHRR) 193(7) and the charge laid against Mr Douglas under AHRR 193(1) relating to the horse ‘The Boss Man’.

https://integrity.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/vcat-decision-ellen-tormey-glenn-douglas/

So the public become mushrooms - kept in the dark with no explanation.
It is possibly a good thing that we will be getting a new Chief Steward

There was of course the other Disqualification received by Tormey

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Now downgraded to a suspension of her trainers license with 8mths suspended because they don't want to impose too much hardship upon her
The harm caused to the industry by having cheating, seems to be a secondary consideration
I am guessing it means she cannot train for 4mths but can continue to drive

[Showgrounds]

The complete lack of transparency here is beyond belief.

[Showgrounds]

HRV says "integrity matters" but how it has handled this announcement and total lack of explanation how and why Tormey and Douglas' have walked away from The Boss Man race day tubing saga is devoid of integrity. We are non the wiser, the link in HRV's story only details Tormey's Mildura charge.

HRV's Sgt Frank Drebin approach to informing industry stakeholders of details of the proceedings of this extremely high profile and scandalous inquiry does it no favours. Secrecy is not an option if you are serious about integrity.

[Theoldfox]

Not suggesting they're related facts but I note that a lack of penalty for alleged actions over the last years in this matter has coincided with a marked improvement in stable win/prizemoney statistics....


HRV says "integrity matters" but how it has handled this announcement and total lack of explanation how and why Tormey and Douglas' have walked away from The Boss Man race day tubing saga is devoid of integrity. We are non the wiser, the link in HRV's story only details Tormey's Mildura charge.

HRV's Sgt Frank Drebin approach to informing industry stakeholders of details of the proceedings of this extremely high profile and scandalous inquiry does it no favours. Secrecy is not an option if you are serious about integrity.

[DRUIDRACING]

I always have found that certain ppl are protected in this industry. delays in cases that are clear cut i find it mind boggling. the little ppl who havent got money to pay for legals take it on the chin. others who go down the Law court way seem to be left alone and many are portrayed as Industry Stars. and they take the money away from the general fairplay people. come on deal with this stuff quick. no wonder im not in the industry anymore.

[Showgrounds]

You have nailed it.

More to the point controlling bodies just don't have the budget to fight for what is fair.

[DRUIDRACING]

they just robbing the hand that feeds them. and going to court costs the industry more......less prizemoney etc..............the Koalas have it tough !!!