Lombo Pocket Watch

[nat]

Dose anyone know if Lombo Pocket Watch is in work?

[mango]

There's a rumour that he's in work whilst performing stud duties and if they can get a connecting flight they were going to send the horse to Western Australia to be trainned by Ross Olivieri.

[nat]

Mango you must have psychic powers the only reason I raised the issue was he is nominated for the Inters and was still in Fitzpatrick's name as trainer just had a look awhile ago and he is in Ross Olivieri care as trainer now

[justdoit]

Sounds good Nat, I hope he races well. The French & Italians do race stallions while they are breeding mares.
Shark Gesture, who else recently was doing this?

[Thomas Johnson]

I have just seen this story on harnesslink (http://harnesslink.com/www/Article.cgi?ID=86196)about Lombo Pocket Watch so I decided to look up his lines to see what sort of a horse this fellow was. It took me quite a time to find the lines and to get some history and when I saw the lines I could hardly believe them. Just wins after wins after wins. That has to be some special horse. Why is he not breeding hundreds of mares? His record is one of the best you will see any where in the world and I would certainly breed to him if he was here in the US.

[mango]

Hi Thomas
Yes Lombo Pocket Watch was a great race horse and he come's from a strong maternial line, i'm not to sure why he doesn't get many mare's it could be due to being by Jet Laag or it could be that he is not a U.S.A stallion. He served around 60 in his first year and got some good mare's mainly the owner/breeders mare's Mick Lombardo so hopefully for Mr Lombardo they go well. His oldest are yearlings and what i've seen they are nice types.

[Thomas Johnson]

Why would Jet Laag be a problem Mango as he was a great horse and is from the Abercrombie line. Although the sire line counts a bit some of our best ever stallions are by unpopular sires or should I say average sires. Here in the States the breeders do not worry too much about what the horse is by as much as how good was the horse on the track. For example Falcon Seelster is by Warm Breeze and Kadabra is by Primrose Lane, two great proven sires that are by what I would say as unpopular sires or unknown sires. If we are going to breed to a great athletic then we have a chance of breeding a great athletic. The greater the athletic the more chance of breeding something very special. And looking at Lombo Pocket Watch he has to be something very special.

[mango]

Hi Thomas
I agree with you as i have a Falcon yearling colt on the ground and i have know problem with Jet Laag and as i said Lombo Pocket Watch has a strong maternial side but a lot of people i know and who have been in the game a long time prefer to go to your stallions and not one bred and raced out here for some reason or another. Where that is different in N.Z where the New Zealand bred stallions, Elsu has served big books from day one and Changover is fully booked this year. It might also have to do with Jet Laags not selling well at the yearling sale's and there fore people are not willing to take the punt. At a recent yearling sale there was approx 19 Pocket Watch's for sale and i think only 3 made over $10,000. I do believe they are nice types i've only seen 3 and they had some presence about them. I'm only speculating as to why people aren't going to him and hopefully someone will give us a bit more insight as to why they are not.

[nat]

That about the gist of it Jet Laag and we don't seem to want to breed to our own I have nothing against Jet Laag he produces the winners still and LPW maternal side is a cut above I was at the Lombo sale they were all nice types even the non grey ones, I don't know why people wont breed to him he was a super star record breaker and was just nutted on the line in the early days of Menangal in 1:51, some of his losses he's been a victim of circumstances. If he was a US horse with what he has won and did in comparison he wouldn't even leave the US for stud duties

[Thomas Johnson]

You have got that right Nat. With that record "Lombo Pocket Watch" in the US would have been book full and closed as soon as he was announced as going to stand at stud. I think with his two year old record here in the States he would of commanded a huge fee. The more I look into this horse the more I like him as a potential sire. I wonder if he has any fertility problems?

[nat]

I'm not sure about any fertility problems I think it just comes down to although he acquitted himself well in open company he just didn't win a few big ones. Its a shame as he should had been fully booked every year we in Australia don't seem to want to breed to our home bred stallion unlike our NZ friends. Yet a good Australian FFA horse called Safari had served 223 mare in the 09/10 season "go figure" whether its the price or because he the best of the Fake Left stallions around I dont know but the breeding seasons never fail to amaze each year.

[buster]

simply unpopular, breeding is about hype..plenty of good stallions go with no mares

misty maiden was a good mare but shes only thrown LPW, nothing else of any significance

[triplev123]

I always find that fascinating Nat. It's essentially a double standard because we will welcome with open arms and wallets the latest & greatest, fresh off the track, retired at 3yrs colts from the USA yet Farms down here face one Hell of an uphill battle to get significant patronage to an Oz/NZ bred sire prospect, seemingly no matter how good it was at 2 & 3, unless it had also raced on at 4yrs + and proved itself in Open/FFA/Cups/ID Company???? One of Life's great mysteries.

[peacheymagic]

I guess it is because many breeeders regard a NZ Cup or Interdominion as a pinnacle rather than 2yo and 3yo racing and would like a potential sire to have won one of these races whereas in the USA the preference is for age group racing and a horses performance as a 4yo/ open class horse isn't really significant.

[nat]

I think you have got it there in one peachymagic isnt it funny how we view horses careers in both hemispheres. I think a couple of open class major's would had boosted him along way he should had won the $400,000 WA Cup but was held up in the charge to the line

[peacheymagic]

Indeed Nat I cannot recall a Southern Hemisphere pacer who has been able to retire after a successful 2 and 3yo career and go on to a successful stud career. Yes Lombo Pocket Watch was almost untouchable as a 2 and 3yo pacer but this meant nothing as a breeding prospect unless he won a group 1 feature as can be seen from his impedent return to the racetrack as he didn't get sufficent support at stud based on his 2 and 3yo success.

[nat]

To be Hounest I'm a little excited that Olivieri has him shows that they are serious and I cannot wait for him to start

[nat]

A nice return to racing tonight for LPW eased off the gate to last, sent 3 wide with a lap to go got to the death and kept going 1:57.8 last half 56.8 28.7m x 1m was treated like a trial

Did anyone watch race 3 2030m stand time posted by Gone To Carlton 1:55.8 off 20m handicap. I missed it, is this a miss print or proper time?

[Flashing Red]

I always find that fascinating Nat. It's essentially a double standard because we will welcome with open arms and wallets the latest & greatest, fresh off the track, retired at 3yrs colts from the USA yet Farms down here face one Hell of an uphill battle to get significant patronage to an Oz/NZ bred sire prospect, seemingly no matter how good it was at 2 & 3, unless it had also raced on at 4yrs + and proved itself in Open/FFA/Cups/ID Company???? One of Life's great mysteries.

I am of the opinion that our horses aren't as good as the America ones, but obviously that gap is begining to close. They have SUPER horses over there. One More Laugh sat in the death, at the 1000m Chester, and ran 1:49 as a 2yo. There is nothing in Australia, present or recently in the past that could have done that. Granted he is a gelding, but it is an example nonetheless. Their top 3yos, by times, are 15 lengths better than our grand circuit horses (1:47 to 1:50) and in many cases American Grand Circuit horses are better than the 3yos, if and when the top 3yos are allowed to race on at 4. Very few Southern Hemisphere horses have made an impact in North America, we simply aren't as good (yet). When that gap is closed, maybe we will see better patronage to our home stars...

[mango]

Lombo Pocket Watch wins at Bunbury Tuesday 11/01/11 the race was over 2100m the mile rate was 1.57.8 and he won by 28m.

[peacheymagic]

Any idea when he will be resuming/ what races he is going to target before interdoms mango?

[mango]

Hi Peacheymagic
My post before yours was he's first start back and as a guess i'd say they will be looking to give him another start and then have a crack and some of the bigger races that are starting in W.A in the next couple of weeks.

[peacheymagic]

Oh I assumed that was a trial, WA racing will be strong with him and imthemightyquinn there

[Flashing Red]

Does anyone think Oliveri would seriously take him to the Interdoms? Obviously a little way to go yet, but he can only go up. If he does, if he goes or not is the big question!....

[nat]

I think If he comes along well LPW and the mare Ima Spicey Lombo will go to the Inters. It will be interesting over in W.A. if LPW comes up to the grade as he and ITMQ are simulare style horse in the way they like to race. The race the other night that LPW won like most good horses do just looked like a good work out until you look at the time Lewis didnt even move on him

[Big K]

Its reported in the West Australian paper this morning that LPW will be scratched from the WA Pacing Cup with a tendon injury.

Cheers

[nat]

Just looked at the news Big K what a shame

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/-/racing/8661588/pocket-watch-timing-out/

[gregcattell]

Dose anyone know if Lombo Pocket Watch is in work?
raced last week W.A. won by 30mtrs sat tail moved around to death 1.57 Cris Lewis drove Olivieri trained

[Mighty Atom]

Lombo Pocket Watch raced at Bunbury(W.A.) on the Wednesday 5th Jan. He won brilliantly by 29 metres in fast time. Was being considered for the W.A.Pacing cup but a slight injury curtailed that plan. The horse appears to have come back as good as ever,being in the care of Ross Olivieri a very astute trainer.

[Mighty Atom]

Flashing Red. I probably agree with you that the U.S.horses are better than ours.They have greater depth in their breeding,some of the past stallions that have made it to AUS would not get a look in over there and that's not to diminish there potential as a sire here. The top tracks in America are built for outright speed and I have always suspected that the sulkies could add a second or two to the times.