David Kennedy

[aussiebreno]

The first positive swab in the South West and Riverina for a very long time.
3 month suspension.
http://www.harness.org.au/news-article.cfm?news_id=17368

I note stable driver Jackson Painting is now listed as trainer.

What does everybody think of that penalty? I originally thought it would be a smallish penalty and I guess 3months is small for a guilty positive.

It also seems strange for a trainer with the amount of winners and bigger race winners that one gets done at Griffith, albeit the Griffith Cup.

[triplev123]

The first positive swab in the South West and Riverina for a very long time.
3 month suspension.
http://www.harness.org.au/news-article.cfm?news_id=17368

I note stable driver Jackson Painting is now listed as trainer.

What does everybody think of that penalty? I originally thought it would be a smallish penalty and I guess 3months is small for a guilty positive.

It also seems strange for a trainer with the amount of winners and bigger race winners that one gets done at Griffith, albeit the Griffith Cup.

[VVV] 3 months is pretty tough. It's not a huge nasty by any means. He was done for good old Ibuprofen I understand & that's a widely available NSAID...you can buy it at Woolies. It is old mates Reckitt & Benckiser's most favourite son, Nurofen. Everyone would have it in the medicine cabinet. I give it to my daughters when they have a fever.

[Starship Captain]

1-He admited giving it to the horse- ???why O'why

2-unblemished record- This should not count in your favour,as you admited to cheating, IMO a cheat will only fess up when court.

3-the nature of the prohibited substance-cheating is cheating, you have to purchase the product and i guess with the intent of cheating, unless he has lots of kids with fever.

4-the seriousness of the offence- WTF(cheating)

5-his personal circumstances- you cheated...but it is ok because you are different to the other 22 million people in Australia and have personal circumstances.

Toughen up NSW stripes, or the newspapers will love your work.

[triplev123]

1-He admited giving it to the horse- ???why O'why

2-unblemished record- This should not count in your favour,as you admited to cheating, IMO a cheat will only fess up when court.

3-the nature of the prohibited substance-cheating is cheating, you have to purchase the product and i guess with the intent of cheating, unless he has lots of kids with fever.

4-the seriousness of the offence- WTF(cheating)

5-his personal circumstances- you cheated...but it is ok because you are different to the other 22 million people in Australia and have personal circumstances.

Toughen up NSW stripes, or the newspapers will love your work.

[VVV] G'day SC,

You'll not find me in the corner of those who flaunt the rules HOWEVER as far as NSAID's such as Bute, Ibuprofen etc. go and for that matter as far as anti-bleeder meds such as Lasix& so on are concerned...I think it is absurd that we do not have at the very least an On Course Vet in place to administer them pre race.
It has long been my belief that if the various State administrations were truly, genuinely serious about delivering consistent, handicappable form to the Punters and having horses race to their full potential week in, week out...that as opposed to merely giving it lip service as required...which, IMO, is what they currently do & for that matter have largely always done...then they would already have such a program in place.

[aussiebreno]

Starship Captain not sure where you pulled out point 1 from. Kennedy has said he used it on another horse but isn't sure how it got transferred to LittleChrissyAdios

[Thevoiceofreason]

1-He admited giving it to the horse- ???why O'why

2-unblemished record- This should not count in your favour,as you admited to cheating, IMO a cheat will only fess up when court.

3-the nature of the prohibited substance-cheating is cheating, you have to purchase the product and i guess with the intent of cheating, unless he has lots of kids with fever.

4-the seriousness of the offence- WTF(cheating)

5-his personal circumstances- you cheated...but it is ok because you are different to the other 22 million people in Australia and have personal circumstances.

Toughen up NSW stripes, or the newspapers will love your work.

This penalty is in line with other penalties for therapeutic substances that is all we should want consistency ....

SC you have the right occupation because if you thing the stipes got this wrong you are already living on another planet.

[The Lout]

This penalty is in line with other penalties for therapeutic substances that is all we should want consistency ....

SC you have the right occupation because if you thing the stipes got this wrong you are already living on another planet.

How can you have consistency in racing when you allow these drugs to be used.... they are potentially as performance enhancing as the worst of them.

[The Lout]

[VVV] 3 months is pretty tough. It's not a huge nasty by any means. He was done for good old Ibuprofen I understand & that's a widely available NSAID...you can buy it at Woolies. It is old mates Reckitt & Benckiser's most favourite son, Nurofen. Everyone would have it in the medicine cabinet. I give it to my daughters when they have a fever.

Hey Jamie, you can buy truckloads of Bi -carb at woolies too!!

Cheers,

Harry

[Thevoiceofreason]

How can you have consistency in racing when you allow these drugs to be used.... they are potentially as performance enhancing as the worst of them.

With the greatest of respect Lout racing can not survive without the use of Therapeutic substances... they are what they are and have a genuine Therapeutic use, if Trainers did not use them in the care of a horse they may well have an animal welfare issue..

That is partly the reason drugs like Altrenogest and ulcer treatments were recently removed from the prohibited substances list so that trainers could use them without fear of a penalty we were however about 10 years after the gallops who saw the problem much earlier and changed their rules.

[Gtrain]

SC you have truly stepped out of line here. You points are not factual in the slightest are portray an idea which is archaic and completely unable to be enforced. If your knowledge of horses and training was beyond elementary you would realize that when training a stable of this size a mistake like this IS possible. You can treat a horse with this substance and race within the month. Which makes contamination in a large stable possible.

[triplev123]

Hey Jamie, you can buy truckloads of Bi -carb at woolies too!!

Cheers,

Harry

[VVV] Harry Truman eh? The fact that one, Bi-carb, is performance enhancer/manipulator & the other a therapeutic hasn't crossed your mind at any stage I take it?

By the way Harry, for so many years so many people had thought that you had won the battle against the Communists within your Party but alas, you didn't quite manage to kill off all of them.
Sure, you thought you had knocked off Henry Wallis but all these years later & old mate progressive activist Frank Marshall Davis popped up in Chicago & helped to get Obama into office. The Henry Wallis wing of the Democrats never died Harry...it just went into hybernation.
You should have grabbed Pete Seeger's Banjo off him and belted him over the head with it when you had the chance.

[Starship Captain]

Aussiebreno?
"In assessing penalty Stewards took into account, his guilty plea"? wtf

Voiceofreason, I will never understand completely stripes, it could have something to do with them all failing the psych test for entry into the police force:)

Gtrain, That's scary, good excuse I spose!@UY's

[aussiebreno]

Aussiebreno?
"In assessing penalty Stewards took into account, his guilty plea"? wtf

Voiceofreason, I will never understand completely stripes, it could have something to do with them all failing the psych test for entry into the police force:)

Gtrain, That's scary, good excuse I spose!@UY's

Kennedy pleaded guilty to presenting a horse at the races with a banned substance in its system. He did not plead guilty to giving it to the horse.

Here is Kennedys excuse.
http://www.dailyadvertiser.com.au/news/local/sport/harness-racing/kennedy-fined-suspended-for-drug-irregularity/2401325.aspx
"Pearce said Kennedy had told the inquiry he was treating another horse with the pain killer but was unsure how it had been transferred."

[Starship Captain]

Thanks for the info AussieB

[Thevoiceofreason]

Aussiebreno?
"In assessing penalty Stewards took into account, his guilty plea"? wtf

Voiceofreason, I will never understand completely stripes, it could have something to do with them all failing the psych test for entry into the police force:)

Gtrain, That's scary, good excuse I spose!@UY's


Jason in criminal law you get a 25% discount on penalty for a guilty plea before any other mitigation is considered.

Most sporting tribunals follow a similar pattern that is why for instance in the NRL you will hear how a player gets less suspension if they plead guilty, stewards are more or less required by law to give similar discounts and the judges that hear the appeals insist on it.

You may not like but get used to it and following recent comments in the D Thomas case do not be shocked if the discount is moved to 25% in line with the criminal standard, it would if it was my call because it keeps the judges happy

.http://www.hrnsw.com.au/assets/files/Appeal%20Decisions/Thomas%20071211.pdf

[Starship Captain]

OK Constable Williams:)

[Thevoiceofreason]

OK Constable Williams:)

In my case it was thought of people shooting at me that stopped me..not Psych test.

[The Lout]

Hey Jamie, you can buy truckloads of Bi -carb at woolies too!!

Bi-carb, is performance enhancer/manipulator & the other a therapeutic

Triple V

I was referring more to your inferrence that it's not so band 'cause you can buy it woolies.

However, since you mentioned it... BiCarb is also often used for it's therapeutic effects.

AND.......pain killers, anti-inflamatories etc, can have a performance enhancing effect on a sick/sore individual, and that positive effect lost when the individual next competes without the substance in his/her system, thus bringing about inconsistencies the punters don't like.

I would agree however, that these substances be permitted on race day if they were, as you suggested administered by on course vets at prescribed doses.

Good Luck,

Harry

[triplev123]

You're missing the point Harry.
How did you manage to win that 1948 Presidential Election btw?

[The Lout]

You're missing the point Harry.
How did you manage to win that 1948 Presidential Election btw?

I'm really happy not to be THAT Harry, he's been dead for 39 years

[THE SIVER FOX]

With the greatest of respect Lout racing can not survive without the use of Therapeutic substances... they what they are and have a genuine Therapeutic use if Trainers did not use them in the care of a horse they may well have an animal welfare issue..

That is partly the reason drugs like Altrenogest and ulcer treatments were recently removed from the prohibited substances list so that trainers could use them without fear of a penalty we were however about 10 years after the gallops who saw the problem much earlier and changed their rules.

Very well said Bill The problem of ulcers in performance horses was greatly reduced with the availability of the relevant treatments that are now legal to use.

[Lucky Camilla"s Lovechild]

Can someone please clarify something i've just picked up from the race results at Cobram a couple of days ago. After David Kennedy was suspended, he and Jackson Painting have swapped roles, with Kennedy doing the driving and Painting training now?

[clumsy]

The horses were moved to Paintings name before David was disqualified, he has appealed the disqualification. Have a look at race 2 Albury last night, Falcoberigora was first past the post but was disqualified for contacting the marker pegs and Blake Jones was fined $200. An inquiry has been adjourned.

[Lucky Camilla"s Lovechild]

The horses were moved to Paintings name before David was disqualified, he has appealed the disqualification. Have a look at race 2 Albury last night, Falcoberigora was first past the post but was disqualified for contacting the marker pegs and Blake Jones was fined $200. An inquiry has been adjourned.
Thanks for pointing out what I'd already posted.

[clumsy]

Big difference your thread said "after" mine said "before"

[Lucky Camilla"s Lovechild]

Did it matter? Have they just swapped roles?

[aussiebreno]

Did it matter? Have they just swapped roles?
Nah. Painting will still do the vast majority of the driving alongside Jones.

[Lucky Camilla"s Lovechild]

Nah. Painting will still do the vast majority of the driving alongside Jones.
Is it just me, or is it wrong that you are disqualified as a trainer, but are allowed to drive in races? Pretty sure people like Gaita Pullicino were not even allowed on any property with horses.

[Gtrain]

Is it just me, or is it wrong that you are disqualified as a trainer, but are allowed to drive in races? Pretty sure people like Gaita Pullicino were not even allowed on any property with horses.

As stated above LCL Kennedy has appealed the decision. Surely he is allowed right of appeal. Im certain Gaita was given this right. You will find the reason Kennedy was driving was due to Painting driving at Leeton that evening.

[aussiebreno]

As stated above LCL Kennedy has appealed the decision. Surely he is allowed right of appeal. Im certain Gaita was given this right. You will find the reason Kennedy was driving was due to Painting driving at Leeton that evening.
Leeton and Albury meetings did not clash GTrain.
But yes D Kennedy is most certaintly is allowed his appeal.

[remington]

D Kennedy drove Tough denim and Archie mcinnes at cobram on the 28th because Archie mcinnes was in the last and jacko wouldn't be able to get back in time for leeton

[aussiebreno]

Apologies G Train.
As Remington pointed out we were talking about D Kennedy driving at Cobram and not Albury, my bad.
He did drive at Albury as well New Years Eve; more could come of that!

[remington]

I don't think he drove at albury I kno he was there but Blake took the drive on the stable runners?

[aussiebreno]

Having a bad night!
He didn't drive at Albury but something more is still to come from that meeting.

[remington]

We all have those.. Having herd both sides of the story im prepared to sit on the fence. Wait and see what comes of the inquiry.

[David Summers]

Yet another disqualification for Kennedy announced today http://www.harnesslink.com/www/Article.cgi?ID=95011

[Itisi]

Yet another disqualification for Kennedy announced today http://www.harnesslink.com/www/Article.cgi?ID=95011
Cant believed he only got six months.

[candykisses]

Cant believed he only got six months.

I hope it hasn't set a preccident , if you know your horse is loaded up with rocket fuel and your gunna get 12 mths ,just take the horse home don't let them swab it and only get 6 mths easy

[aussiebreno]

I hope it hasn't set a preccident , if you know your horse is loaded up with rocket fuel and your gunna get 12 mths ,just take the horse home don't let them swab it and only get 6 mths easy
Yes but I think Kennedys reason for taking the horse wasn't fear of a positive swab, more a 'if you're going to take the race off me you can jam it up your arse thing'!!

[Itisi]

Yes but I think Kennedys reason for taking the horse wasn't fear of a positive swab, more a 'if you're going to take the race off me you can jam it up your arse thing'!!
No matter what bull.... he tells,six years would be more fitting term.

[Danno]

Cant believed he only got six months.

I have never heard of anyone having the temerity to take a horse from the swab box !!....this is not the only recent case of someone getting off a hell of a lot lighter than most people expected, and it sure hasn't sent a great message.

[aussiebreno]

No matter what bull.... he tells,six years would be more fitting term.
Oh yeah, I'm all for harsh and deserving penalties. I just think the reason wasn't fear of a positive just sheer anger.

[Itisi]

Oh yeah, I'm all for harsh and deserving penalties. I just think the reason wasn't fear of a positive just sheer anger.
Guess we will never know and that is what pisses most people off anyhow good luck to him.

[clumsy]

Guess we will never know and that is what pisses most people off anyhow good luck to him.

This win was a huge form reversal from his previous runs.

[Itisi]

I see that Michael Russo done a similar act and took his horse home before it was due to race, for what reason I don't know but the stewards wanted to pre race swab it. What the f... Is going on.

[Ev McKenna]

This win was a huge form reversal from his previous runs.

Form reversal? He was second up from a spell first up he got well back an race wasn't run to suit they got home in 28 so was defiantly nothing wrong with his first up run... His last run before his spell may have been disappointing but apart from that his form has been near faultless for kennedy!

Itisi, 6 years a bit harsh for what I'm sure was just a brain snap does look bad but we will see next time the horse goes around A- how is performs ? B- how the swab goes cause I'm sure it will be swabbed and be be found clear of " rocket fuel"

[aussiebreno]

Form reversal? He was second up from a spell first up he got well back an race wasn't run to suit they got home in 28 so was defiantly nothing wrong with his first up run... His last run before his spell may have been disappointing but apart from that his form has been near faultless for kennedy!

Itisi, 6 years a bit harsh for what I'm sure was just a brain snap does look bad but we will see next time the horse goes around A- how is performs ? B- how the swab goes cause I'm sure it will be swabbed and be be found clear of " rocket fuel"

Pretty much agree with this, especially the first bit re form reversal. Yes he was $28 but last season he won 6/17 so the horse obviously has some ability.
But as you've said, hard to make up ground in a quick last quarter first up, and the only other blotch in his record was 2 starts back when spelled (which indicates end of his tether or something wrong etc).

[barney]

Form reversal? He was second up from a spell first up he got well back an race wasn't run to suit they got home in 28 so was defiantly nothing wrong with his first up run... His last run before his spell may have been disappointing but apart from that his form has been near faultless for kennedy!

Itisi, 6 years a bit harsh for what I'm sure was just a brain snap does look bad but we will see next time the horse goes around A- how is performs ? B- how the swab goes cause I'm sure it will be swabbed and be be found clear of " rocket fuel"

Why then would you take a horse away from the swabbing stalls.A non rusted on harness punter could only get one impression and that he was avoiding something. .Bad image for harness.I want anyone to be found using rocket fuel as you called it not to be banned for 6 years but for life.
We dont need cheats and as i was always told once a cheat always a cheat.

[aussiebreno]

Why then would you take a horse away from the swabbing stalls.A non rusted on harness punter could only get one impression and that he was avoiding something. .Bad image for harness.I want anyone to be found using rocket fuel as you called it not to be banned for 6 years but for life.
We dont need cheats and as i was always told once a cheat always a cheat.
Barney it is my humble opinion he took the horse out of the swabbing stall not from fear of a swab but because of sheer disgust his horse was disqualified but was still being swabbed. I'm not saying that makes it right or even contemplating that that's a reasonable excuse, but that was his reason imo.

[Ev McKenna]

Why then would you take a horse away from the swabbing stalls.A non rusted on harness punter could only get one impression and that he was avoiding something. .Bad image for harness.I want anyone to be found using rocket fuel as you called it not to be banned for 6 years but for life.
We dont need cheats and as i was always told once a cheat always a cheat.


As stated in last post Kennedy has obviously had a brain snap as barney just stated it would be more due to anger/stress than fear of a positive swab but time will tell whether the horse proforms next start which I'm sure it will of they can fix the hanging problem the horse obviously had at Albury ...

[latemail_cam]

I can understand his frustrations I also had a few bob on Falcoberigora and was ready to collect

[Arnie]

I know that someone from the camp had told a mate, who passed on the 'quote' " to have something on this horse as we touched it up". It ran like it did and puts pieces together for me. Why else would you take such drastic measures?

[remington]

I know that someone from the camp had told a mate, who passed on the 'quote' " to have something on this horse as we touched it up". It ran like it did and puts pieces together for me. Why else would you take such drastic measures?

Don't believe a word of that, cause I'm sure if it was "touched up" it would of been alot shorter.. I really don't think there was any malice in it just a brain explosion from Dave out of frustration

[Thevoiceofreason]

Don't believe a word of that, cause I'm sure if it was "touched up" it would of been alot shorter.. I really don't think there was any malice in it just a brain explosion from Dave out of frustration

Does it really matter what the cause was in my view the answer is no.

The stewards say swab the horse then the horse is swabbed.

Everybody can run the I had a brain explosion excuse D Kennedy got everyday of what he should have got regardless of the circumstances.

If not everybody would just be leaving the course because it suited them.

if he is a so called professional in the game..... then I say act like one.

[barney]

Touched up may mean hit with a jigger of jack not drugged.

[aussiebreno]

Does it really matter what the cause was in my view the answer is no.

The stewards say swab the horse then the horse is swabbed.

Everybody can run the I had a brain explosion excuse D Kennedy got everyday of what he should have got regardless of the circumstances.

If not everybody would just be leaving the course because it suited them.

if he is a so called professional in the game..... then I say act like one.
I think people are still allowed to put forward their opinion on why he did it when we've got people just assuming it was straight out fear of a positive swab.

[remington]

Touched up may mean hit with a jigger of jack not drugged.

My bad thought it was another person have an attack on dave and they boys.