Scandalman

[teecee]

In the nominations list for Woodlands Stud Great Northern Derby at Auckland

[Old Frank]

Interesting, when is the date of that derby? How close to his home NSW version?

[Triple V]

Not a fan. Saw him lead up and lay down on Miracle Mile night. I don't think he's the real deal.

[Old Frank]

Not a fan. Saw him lead up and lay down on Miracle Mile night. I don't think he's the real deal.



I think he's personally aiming a bit high if they go, but he's not a bad little horse. I think the original owner whom I'm sure I read passed away was from NZ and his family still race the horse so I assume that's why their looking at that race.

He's good enough for them to keep having fun with. Won't be a future GC star, but good enough to get to M5-M6 next to his name by the time he's finished.

[Triple V]

That's fair comment Nathan.
I was very surprised by how well he went in VIC.
I'd have bet London to a brick that if he led he would have been the first one beaten.

[Old Frank]

The breather in the middle helped him there and he found the top that night pretty easy.

[mightymo]

I think you guys are very harsh. i think Scandalman is an excellent stayer. Will be interesting to see how he goes over in NZ. The 3 other main chances would be Ideal Scott(who ran 2nd in the Vic derby), Smolda(who is the best NZ 3yo so far this season) and my boy Fly Like An Eagle who has yet to race since having knee chips removed but has trialled very well

Should be a great race

[teecee]

Interesting, when is the date of that derby? How close to his home NSW version?

Heats are ID Grand Final night 2 March.
Final Auck Cup night March 9

[Old Frank]

I think you guys are very harsh. i think Scandalman is an excellent stayer. Will be interesting to see how he goes over in NZ. The 3 other main chances would be Ideal Scott(who ran 2nd in the Vic derby), Smolda(who is the best NZ 3yo so far this season) and my boy Fly Like An Eagle who has yet to race since having knee chips removed but has trialled very well

Should be a great race

i'm sorry Harvey, me calling the horse a nice horse is not good enough for you and is being "very harsh"?

Saying that I think he'll be an M5-M6 is being "very harsh"? 90% of owners would chew their arms off for a nice M5-M6 horse.

Silly me though, you know better and keep self-plugging your horse!

[mightymo]

Having a bad day Nathan??:):) I cant see what I said that would warrant such a response from you...

You said "I think he's personally aiming a bit high if they go, but he's not a bad little horse."

The horse is a last start Vic derby winner! I think you are underestimating the horse's ability

PS - i dont own Fly Like An Eagle. I just bred him!

[Old Frank]

No Harvey, had a great day thanks, I just don't rate the horse as highly as you obviously do.

He's a nice 3yo who got a easy run in the Derby. Leading brings so many advantages and that night everything came together for him. What he did that night was only what I expect any of 6-7 good 3yr olds to do if given the same run.

In my opinion, he's no Sushi Sushi, nor Lombo Pocket Watch so it'd be a task going there when you could focus on NSW and even QLD.

[Greg Hando]

I personally like the horse and think he may get stronger the older he get's. Vic Derby pretty fair feather in your bow this early stage of a career.Congratulation's for taking him to NZ a real nice gesture to race at home in honour of his late owner, well done and i hope he goes well.

[Old Frank]

I personally like the horse and think he may get stronger the older he get's. Vic Derby pretty fair feather in your bow this early stage of a career.Congratulation's for taking him to NZ a real nice gesture to race at home in honour of his late owner, well done and i hope he goes well.




Your right Greg there, it is a lovely gesture regarding honouring the late owner, nice touch on Wilson's part.

All I'm saying though overall on the horse is, I think he's a nice 3yr old in amongest the group and he did a great job on the night to win the Vic. Derby. I've seen horse like Bella's Boy win Vic. Derbies and they didn't turn out to be anything.

Scandalman will be a lot of fun for his owners and in my opinion, will have no problems winning through his grades to M5-M6 class which in this day and age, is still a great effort. Being a good quality 3yr doesn't automatically buy you a future GC spot per say'.

[The Form Student]

Some people don't believe what they see, last mile in Vic Derby 1:55.4 (that was off a slow 32.2 first quarter), mile rate 1:57.5. Was the the run of the heats the week before, did all the work in the race, and the leader (Restrepo) ran it's last mile in 1:55.2, he was beaten only 5 metres. (Just ask Bill Hutchinson, he made the comment on Sky)
They were his last 2 runs, so form stacks up!
If you have a leader that can run such solid time like this, why wouldn't you take him??? He will take running down in any race ( if he gets one easy quarter, it could be game, set, match), if he gets the barrier to lead, but he doesn't have to.

[Old Frank]

Some people don't believe what they see, last mile in Vic Derby 1:55.4 (that was off a slow 32.2 first quarter), mile rate 1:57.5. Was the the run of the heats the week before, did all the work in the race, and the leader (Restrepo) ran it's last mile in 1:55.2, he was beaten only 5 metres. (Just ask Bill Hutchinson, he made the comment on Sky)
They were his last 2 runs, so form stacks up!

If you have a leader that can run such solid time like this, why wouldn't you take him??? He will take running down in any race ( if he gets one easy quarter, it could be game, set, match), if he gets the barrier to lead, but he doesn't have to.




I'm happy to be proven wrong and if he goes and wins over there, I'd be more than happy to say congratulations. The horse has done/is doing a great job for connections and if he goes on to bigger and better things, that'll be fantastic also.

[The Form Student]

Your right Greg there, it is a lovely gesture regarding honouring the late owner, nice touch on Wilson's part.

All I'm saying though overall on the horse is, I think he's a nice 3yr old in amongest the group and he did a great job on the night to win the Vic. Derby. I've seen horse like Bella's Boy win Vic. Derbies and they didn't turn out to be anything.

Scandalman will be a lot of fun for his owners and in my opinion, will have no problems winning through his grades to M5-M6 class which in this day and age, is still a great effort. Being a good quality 3yr doesn't automatically buy you a future GC spot per say'.

I agree, he is a very good 3YO, GC contender, is a long way down the track. At the moment, the NZ Derby is a good mission, The $135,000 prizemoney from the VIC Derby would have been very nice!
Actually, it appears we have a very even lot of good 3YO's. There doesn't appear to be one very tough staying type, results are mostly dictated too by the barrier draw, or a bit of extra luck in running. In the Vic Derby, leader/behind the leader won all heats and the final !!!

[Lenem]

Can't do more than win but far from a vintage Derby field.

[Mitch]

For some reason he doesnt run his best races at Menangle but on any other track he is as good as any 3yo going around. His 2 runs in Victoria were amazing. Credit where credit is due and this horse deserves credit!

I think he is right up to Smolda who is the best performed 3yo in NZ. Already proven he can beat Ideal Scott and Fly Like An Eagle is yet to prove himself at 3, although he was one of the best 2yo's last season.

They had have NZ on the radar the whole time, I remember reading an article last year in which they stated they would target Derbies in Aust & NZ as he is not eligible for the futurity races.

[teecee]

Race 6 [8:25pm] WOODLANDS STUD NORTHERN DERBY HEAT 1 MOBILE PACE $25,000, 3YO, 2200m Racebook (http://www.hrnz.co.nz/data/racebook/02020306.htm) Gear (http://www.hrnz.co.nz/data/fields/030202ng.htm#Race-6) First nominations with a payment of $125.00 (GST Inclusive) close on Friday 17 February 2012 at 11.00am.A late nomination provision applies.A late nomination payment of $2875.00 (GST Inclusive) must be made by 11.00am Saturday 3 March 2012.The first five placed runners in each heat gain automatic selection for the Derby Final to be run on Friday 9 March 2012 with the balance of the field including ballots selected by the ATC from the nominated horses.No horse which gains a start in the Final may start in any other race on Friday 9 March 2012.The winner of the Pascoes Northern Oaks will be guaranteed a start in the Derby Final if nominated with any late nomination fee if applicable to be paid by the ATC.BookFormAgeSex Name WinsDrawHdcp Trainer 13111113g http://www.hrnz.co.nz/images/ATCschemeSmall.gif (http://www.alexandrapark.co.nz/racing/performance-incentive-scheme/)Smolda (http://harness.hrnz.co.nz/gas/wa/r/infohorsewa/rar46x?Arg=167914&Arg=159743) 5 (3) 1Front M Purdon & G R Payne 21165643g http://www.hrnz.co.nz/images/ATCschemeSmall.gif (http://www.alexandrapark.co.nz/racing/performance-incentive-scheme/)Lets Elope (http://harness.hrnz.co.nz/gas/wa/r/infohorsewa/rar46x?Arg=164675&Arg=159743) 4 (2) 2Front F D Cooney 3126113g Your Good Fortune (http://harness.hrnz.co.nz/gas/wa/r/infohorsewa/rar46x?Arg=163970&Arg=159743) 3 (2) 3Front M Purdon & G R Payne 41620883c Bettor Reason (http://harness.hrnz.co.nz/gas/wa/r/infohorsewa/rar46x?Arg=163069&Arg=159743) 14Front R E & Mrs P N Fensom 51213213c Scandalman (http://harness.hrnz.co.nz/gas/wa/r/infohorsewa/rar46x?Arg=162093&Arg=159743) 9 (4) 5Front I C Wilson 67741113g Texican (http://harness.hrnz.co.nz/gas/wa/r/infohorsewa/rar46x?Arg=164669&Arg=159743) 7 (3) 6Front C T Dalgety 74623553c Alberto Contador (http://harness.hrnz.co.nz/gas/wa/r/infohorsewa/rar46x?Arg=161959&Arg=159743) 2 (1) 7Front M Purdon & G R Payne 81205173g Smo (http://harness.hrnz.co.nz/gas/wa/r/infohorsewa/rar46x?Arg=163597&Arg=159743) 3 (2) 8Front B Purdon

[Greg Hando]

Shaping up to be a good one

[Viv Strangman]

The two Derby heats are both interesting contests. Smolda and Scandalman in one heat and Fly Like an Eagle and Ideal Scott in the other. Hard to see any of the others winning either of the heats. Bit of a shame that neither Raging Bull or Beach Bunny are there as they are both high class 3yr olds and the heats are lacking quality outside of the four mentioned above

[mightymo]

Texican in the 1st heat is also a very nice horse

[Viv Strangman]

Texican was very good in the spring but very disappointing up against Smolda and Raging Bull at Xmas in Auckland. Has won 3 on end since resuming but raced nothing close to the class he will face on Friday. Also didnt seem that comfortable Auckland way round last time so cant see him having the ringcraft to beat Smolda and co in the Derby on Friday week. But as we all know Harvey, horses love to prove you wrong

[mightymo]

Viv i agree with you. I think they are clearly the top 4 chances, although I know which one Im hoping for!!:):)

[Viv Strangman]

The Eagle is a big chance Harvey. Trialled super before going north. You would think he would need the run this week but should be cherry ripe come Derby time

[mark diegutis]

Scandalman came in 3rd to Smolda & Lets Elope in first heat .
Ideal Scott beat Best Deal Yet & Besotted in 2nd heat .

[bbd]

I have a question for you experts. Why do they run heats for a derby over 2200m as they did in Auckland, for a final over 2700?

[Greg Hando]

Very impressive tonight and should improve on the run, Fly Like An Eagle also o'k without being busted.
Did someone tell the leader and outside leader in the second heat their was a brown snake on the bend ?

[broncobrad]

Very impressive tonight and should improve on the run, Fly Like An Eagle also o'k without being busted.
Did someone tell the leader and outside leader in the second heat their was a brown snake on the bend ?

Hey Greg, stewards report noted the leader reacted when the deafeners were pulled. But I can't quite work out what driver is doing with his right hand and looking back to the inside midway through the last corner as it drifted off.

[teecee]

Hey Greg, stewards report noted the leader reacted when the deafeners were pulled. But I can't quite work out what driver is doing with his right hand and looking back to the inside midway through the last corner as it drifted off.
I guess he was watching the trailing horse coming up his inside. (Ideal Scott) Apparently going very keenly came through b4 there was sufficient room, having to be slightly restrained and went a bit rough. That from the driver of Ideal Scott.

[Triple V]

JD's horse went huge. Nice steer Tod Macfarlane.

[Lucky Camilla"s Lovechild]

Very impressive tonight and should improve on the run, Fly Like An Eagle also o'k without being busted.
Did someone tell the leader and outside leader in the second heat their was a brown snake on the bend ?
No snakes in NZ!

[Danno]

No snakes in NZ!

Not of the reptillian kind anyway Leigh!!

[Lucky Camilla"s Lovechild]

Yes. They were rubbed out. But they were only small!

[Danno]

Small in ways other than stature??

[Lucky Camilla"s Lovechild]

.............Affirmative.

[broncobrad]

Apparently Scandalman has drawn poorly in 9 for the final and will struggle to take up a forward position. Place at best now.

[Danno]

Apparently Scandalman has drawn poorly in 9 for the final and will struggle to take up a forward position. Place at best now.

Depends on how the race is run I reckon Brad,I don't necessarily agree that scandalman is a one trick pony, he can come from behind, although I know most would differ from my opinion there. Anyway, I wouldn't write him off yet.

[broncobrad]

I tend to think the Victorian Derby had a heap of depth and just because he got the lead which definitely helped his cause, in some peoples eyes it underscored how good his win was. After saying that tho' I tend to think he might need to produce something special to win the final because of his draw. I don't want to jinx him after I stopped Smoken Up the other night.

[Danno]

I don't think you should be taking any responisbility for the Smoken Up dramas, I reckon team Justice will be kicking themselves for breaking the "golden Rule... Don't change anything on race night"

[mark diegutis]

Scandalman came in 2nd to Ideal Scott . Jimmy drove him a treat . Great run .

[eliteblood]

Scandalman came in 2nd to Ideal Scott . Jimmy drove him a treat . Great run .

Scandalman was very unlucky not to get the bickies. Couldn't get off the fence at any stage from his inside 2nd row draw. They would be both happy and disappointed, I imagine.

[David Summers]

I agree, great run by Scandalman. With just a tiny bit of luck would have won. Smolda was rather disappointing I thought.

[Danno]

Scandalman came in 2nd to Ideal Scott . Jimmy drove him a treat . Great run .

Scandalman shows some versatility, travels nicely back on the fence, and was entitled to get home well after a cosy trip but got home enormous, breaking 27 in the run home. His connections would have to be tickled pink with him IMO, he showed all the signs of a future force.