One track wonder?

[p plater]

After his great win in the Interdom, I looked at Quinny's record in Australia and was surprised to see that over the last 2 seasons he has won 1 race at Bunbury and 1 at Cranbourne besides his outstanding record at Gloucester Park.
He has had 7 starts interstate for 1 win.
Australias best pacer....hmmm. WA's best pacer ....no doubt.

[aussiebreno]

Undefeated in NZ interdom...

[The Form Student]

Proved he is Australia's fastest pacer...........possibly ever!

[clumsy]

Who trains the horse when he comes to the eastern states ? Perhaps he doesn't settle in to the different environment and training.

[The Form Student]

Would love to see him sit on a pacemaker, like Smoken Up around Menangle when he is at his best...........1:46:00?

[Toohard]

Would love to see him sit on a pacemaker, like Smoken Up around Menangle when he is at his best...........1:46:00?

He did that in November last year in Miracle Mile ?

[aussiebreno]

He did that in November last year in Miracle Mile ?

Was burned out though.

[The Form Student]

He did that in November last year in Miracle Mile ?

He was way below his best in NSW & VIC.........I mean they way he was going in ID!

[Mighty Atom]

After his great win in the Interdom, I looked at Quinny's record in Australia and was surprised to see that over the last 2 seasons he has won 1 race at Bunbury and 1 at Cranbourne besides his outstanding record at Gloucester Park.
He has had 7 starts interstate for 1 win.
Australias best pacer....hmmm. WA's best pacer ....no doubt.

Performances like you saw during the ID's would see him win anywhere on any track in Australia. You can forget his last 4 runs on the east coast when the horse wasn't well ..... still culminating in two 2 nds and a third. He has basically raced the best horses in Australia in the ID's with the exception of Sushi Sushi and trounced them. If you are going to assess the ability of a horse you cannot leave out any NZ performances - 3 wins ( Auckland Cup ) and a third. With another good couple of seasons racing in him Quinny could well become Australasia's greatest stakes earner. ITMQ - not only the best but also the most exciting to watch.

[Toohard]

Was burned out though.


?? Was his 4th run back from spell. 3 runs back in from 6 month spell 21/10/11 28/10/11 18/11/11 all wins at Gloucester Park. So 4 runs in 5 weeks counting Miracle Mile. He just had 3 runs in a week before Interdom!

[Toohard]

From papers day of barrier draw last years Miracle Mile

Hall Sr feels Im Themightyquinn is more lethal since the Inter Dominion and is banking on the race to be run at a solid tempo that will allow his powerful pacer to finish over the top of his rivals.
"If he draws a bit wide we will have to go to the rail and a couple might get in our way when we need to get going," he said.
"He is in good form, I can't fault him, he is going better than he was in the Inter Dominion series so he is probably worth a shot and that is why we are coming.

[Toohard]

I forgot to add..... I AIN'T KNOCKING HIM !!!!!!!! HE'S A SUPERSTAR!!!! But Australias fastest horse ?

[Mighty Atom]

I think without a doubt that ITMQ is Australia's and New Zealands fastest sit and sprint horse of all time; theoretically you cant get much faster. I've seen some brilliant sit and sprint horses over the decades - Koala King, Markovina, Mont Denver Gold, but none of them could come from the rear and sustain their sprint for 5 to 600 metres in top fields and win.

[Mighty Atom]

From papers day of barrier draw last years Miracle Mile

Hall Sr feels Im Themightyquinn is more lethal since the Inter Dominion and is banking on the race to be run at a solid tempo that will allow his powerful pacer to finish over the top of his rivals.
"If he draws a bit wide we will have to go to the rail and a couple might get in our way when we need to get going," he said.
"He is in good form, I can't fault him, he is going better than he was in the Inter Dominion series so he is probably worth a shot and that is why we are coming.
I'm not sure what happened but I didn't think he looked right throughout his 4 runs in the east. I'm not knocking the horse but he couldn't hold out Karloo Mick ( a ten yr old) for second and how many times do you think that would happen?. I think you can look forward to the New Zealand Cup in November when I'm Themightyquinn will head the younger generation of horses. Im sure the two old warriors Mr Feelgood and Smoken Up would have put the cue back in the rack by then.

[M.John]

He differs from the norm of a top grand circuit horse. Majority of the top GC horses are of the Smoken Up, Blacks A Fake mold were they stay all day and run races at a genuine tempo which takes the sprint out of a horse like Imthemightyquinn. That's why Imthemightyquinn is so good, he can go as quick as he can off a slow tempo as a fast one. I do believe that GP makes his sprint look better than perhaps it is. He handles that track better than any other horse and with horses who aren't used to that track maybe getting around the bends worse than normal, he just has lengths on them. He can run 26 quarters around the bend there, only horse in the world that probably can. Menangle however there are a lot of horses that can do that. I believe that around menangle Imthemightyquinn and Smoken up a their best that Smoken up would come out on top but I could very well be wrong and would love to see them both I top form come miracle mile time.

[p plater]

Proved he is Australia's fastest pacer...........possibly ever!

What is this based on?

[teecee]

Snr confirmed from NZ this week that his next mission is NZ Cup in November.

[The Form Student]

What is this based on?

The actual sectional times he ran in the ID heats, and the relative speed to the other grand circuit horses he competed against........in the 3rd set of heats his final 800 metres was 2 seconds faster than any other heat run that night, and he was not on the fence........Leaders final 800 metres in 55.7 seconds, and he reeled off a quarter in 29.0 3 wide the 400 before that. In the final he waited until the 400 metre mark, giving the other runners approx 12 metres and went 4 & 5 wide to hit the lead turning for home! On the fence his times would be even quicker!

[p plater]

The actual sectional times he ran in the ID heats, and the relative speed to the other grand circuit horses he competed against........in the 3rd set of heats his final 800 metres was 2 seconds faster than any other heat run that night, and he was not on the fence........Leaders final 800 metres in 55.7 seconds, and he reeled off a quarter in 29.0 3 wide the 400 before that. In the final he waited until the 400 metre mark, giving the other runners approx 12 metres and went 4 & 5 wide to hit the lead turning for home! On the fence his times would be even quicker!

I understand now your reasoning but races are longer than 800m and his racing style will not allow him to be on the fence.
So he is the fastest 800m pacer in Aust providing they don't go quick up front. Like the NZ Inter final

[aussiebreno]

?? Was his 4th run back from spell. 3 runs back in from 6 month spell 21/10/11 28/10/11 18/11/11 all wins at Gloucester Park. So 4 runs in 5 weeks counting Miracle Mile. He just had 3 runs in a week before Interdom!
Hahaha, not that burnt out. I meant out of the gate!

[Toohard]

How 'refreshing'!!

Lots of people with lots of different opinions on a forum topic and no one abusing anyone!! Good for us!!

I'll agree with you Steve. His last 800 was absolutely unbelievable but does that make him the fastest horse? Certainly given your figures the fastest over 800m at Gloucester Park.
"Use Smoken Up as a pacemaker at Menangle and he'd go 1.46". Dunno about that. He could sit on Smoken Up's back at Menangle for a month of Sundays. He wouldn't get past him (in my opinion!!)
He has (when trainer said he going better than when he 'won' the NZ Interdom) last year and couldn't do it. He burnt out of the gate Breno but so did Smoken Up. Smoken Up got sat on and then came out went around and led. Got taken on by Franco Jamar and Mr Feelgood while ITMQ sat on his back. Franco Jamar headed him at one point. ITMQ still couldn't get past him (I'm dictating for my young son at the moment!).

Like he (my son) says, 1.48.5 is the fastest ever race time in Oz. He's the fastest.

Also (he says)...Grand Circuit champion this season. Amazingly raced and won in all states of Oz (except Tasmania) plus NZ in one season.

Takes all types horses make the harness racing world go round. And opinions too! The more champions the better I reckon!

Again, good for us!!

Cheers

[p plater]

Well said Paul & Son

When I started this thread I hoped it would spark good discussion with all the crap removed. Sometimes I think the media hype things up and of course we all have our favorites but since joining this forum the "quality of thoughts" has been outstanding on a range of topics.

This is how a forum should work......concur Good on Us

[aussiebreno]

How 'refreshing'!!

Lots of people with lots of different opinions on a forum topic and no one abusing anyone!! Good for us!!

I'll agree with you Steve. His last 800 was absolutely unbelievable but does that make him the fastest horse? Certainly given your figures the fastest over 800m at Gloucester Park.
"Use Smoken Up as a pacemaker at Menangle and he'd go 1.46". Dunno about that. He could sit on Smoken Up's back at Menangle for a month of Sundays. He wouldn't get past him (in my opinion!!)
He has (when trainer said he going better than when he 'won' the NZ Interdom) last year and couldn't do it. He burnt out of the gate Breno but so did Smoken Up. Smoken Up got sat on and then came out went around and led. Got taken on by Franco Jamar and Mr Feelgood while ITMQ sat on his back. Franco Jamar headed him at one point. ITMQ still couldn't get past him (I'm dictating for my young son at the moment!).

Like he (my son) says, 1.48.5 is the fastest ever race time in Oz. He's the fastest.

Also (he says)...Grand Circuit champion this season. Amazingly raced and won in all states of Oz (except Tasmania) plus NZ in one season.

Takes all types horses make the harness racing world go round. And opinions too! The more champions the better I reckon!

Again, good for us!!

Cheers

Yeah there is a bit of potato patata going on here. Smoken Up might be have the fastest time over 1609, but remember someone also holds the record for the marathon, doesnt mean they're fast! From a 400-800m sprint point of view ITMQ is the fastest in the land. Auckland Reactor and Holy Camp Boy other challengers. I think Smoken Up runs more an even pace - although yes he is still fast.
Re: burnt out of the gate. I think that is Smoken Ups go, get the lead and run like a headless chook (within reason) whereas Quinny is better from a sit - whatever the pace. So Quinny coming out of the gate like that went against him. If he had a run like Karloo Mick it is my opinion he wins (see Cranbourne Cup last season). Therefore I'd love to see Quinny get a sit on Smoken Up, or anybody, at Menangle over 1609.

[aussiebreno]

I must add; as much as I love/d Blacks A Fake how refreshing is it and good for the industry we get to debate who is the best in the land!

[aussiebreno]

I must add, as much as I love/d Blacks A Fake its good to have uncertainty and debate as to who is the King of harness.

[p plater]

Yeah there is a bit of potato patata going on here. Smoken Up might be have the fastest time over 1609, but remember someone also holds the record for the marathon, doesnt mean they're fast! From a 400-800m sprint point of view ITMQ is the fastest in the land. Auckland Reactor and Holy Camp Boy other challengers. I think Smoken Up runs more an even pace - although yes he is still fast.
Re: burnt out of the gate. I think that is Smoken Ups go, get the lead and run like a headless chook (within reason) whereas Quinny is better from a sit - whatever the pace. So Quinny coming out of the gate like that went against him. If he had a run like Karloo Mick it is my opinion he wins (see Cranbourne Cup last season). Therefore I'd love to see Quinny get a sit on Smoken Up, or anybody, at Menangle over 1609.

Gee Brendan you may have a hard time convincing G Hall snr to drive him like Karloo Mick's run but it would be interesting.
Here's one for you, remember Smoken Ups run at Melton prior to going to Perth where he broke the record..He was never on the track but kept running. Race run in quarters of 27.8,28.3,27.4 and 28.1 for a 1.51.1 mile rate. Given he went 55.5 for the last half being wide, do you think ITMQ would have run past him given the early speed.
I think on that occassion SU raced out of his comfort zone

[The Form Student]

How 'refreshing'!!

Lots of people with lots of different opinions on a forum topic and no one abusing anyone!! Good for us!!

I'll agree with you Steve. His last 800 was absolutely unbelievable but does that make him the fastest horse? Certainly given your figures the fastest over 800m at Gloucester Park.
"Use Smoken Up as a pacemaker at Menangle and he'd go 1.46". Dunno about that. He could sit on Smoken Up's back at Menangle for a month of Sundays. He wouldn't get past him (in my opinion!!)
He has (when trainer said he going better than when he 'won' the NZ Interdom) last year and couldn't do it. He burnt out of the gate Breno but so did Smoken Up. Smoken Up got sat on and then came out went around and led. Got taken on by Franco Jamar and Mr Feelgood while ITMQ sat on his back. Franco Jamar headed him at one point. ITMQ still couldn't get past him (I'm dictating for my young son at the moment!).

Like he (my son) says, 1.48.5 is the fastest ever race time in Oz. He's the fastest.

Also (he says)...Grand Circuit champion this season. Amazingly raced and won in all states of Oz (except Tasmania) plus NZ in one season.

Takes all types horses make the harness racing world go round. And opinions too! The more champions the better I reckon!

Again, good for us!!

Cheers

By fastest, I mean sheer acceleration and speed.......you are mentioning Smoken Up, and those races around Xmas.......ITMQ was not racing well in the eastern states.......you can only go on the latest runs, and they were in the ID, ITMQ smacked their bottoms and made them all look 2nd class......he demoralized Raglan in the last of his heats.......fastest means speed and acceleration........over what distance do you measure the speed?.......probably a 600 metre burst..............How do you beat the other runners with ITMQ.......you need to get a run with cover and be close enough at the 400 metre mark......timing his run to perfection, no horse can match him!.......maybe Auckland Reactor on it's good days would go close...........yes horses like Smoken Up and Blackie have outstayed their rivals to win, beaten them into submission by making them run along along way from home........horses with speed and given the right run will come out in front in most cases!

[tyson]

The Form Student -Track records... Gloucester park

1700M - Has the Answers ( sprint race distance )

2506M - Mr Feelgood ( Interdominion final distance )

To say Imthemightyquinn is Australias fastest pacer possibly ever. What ever your taking i want some.

He doesn't hold the fastest time for 1700M in the west or the fastest time for the interdominion final distance 2506M. Smoken up holds the record for Australasia's quickest time. Imthemightyquinn has won the races in question but by no means is he the fastest.

[tyson]

By fastest, I mean sheer acceleration and speed.......you are mentioning Smoken Up, and those races around Xmas.......ITMQ was not racing well in the eastern states.......you can only go on the latest runs, and they were in the ID, ITMQ smacked their bottoms and made them all look 2nd class......he demoralized Raglan in the last of his heats.......fastest means speed and acceleration........over what distance do you measure the speed?.......probably a 600 metre burst..............How do you beat the other runners with ITMQ.......you need to get a run with cover and be close enough at the 400 metre mark......timing his run to perfection, no horse can match him!.......maybe Auckland Reactor on it's good days would go close...........yes horses like Smoken Up and Blackie have outstayed their rivals to win, beaten them into submission by making them run along along way from home........horses with speed and given the right run will come out in front in most cases!

Fastest means from START to FINISH and thats not just winning on one night. Pretty sure thats why they have a Track record over distance.

[aussiebreno]

The Form Student -Track records... Gloucester park

1700M - Has the Answers ( sprint race distance )

2506M - Mr Feelgood ( Interdominion final distance )

To say Imthemightyquinn is Australias fastest pacer possibly ever. What ever your taking i want some.

He doesn't hold the fastest time for 1700M in the west or the fastest time for the interdominion final distance 2506M. Smoken up holds the record for Australasia's quickest time. Imthemightyquinn has won the races in question but by no means is he the fastest.


Fastest means from START to FINISH and thats not just winning on one night. Pretty sure thats why they have a Track record over distance.
Rather silly bringing up those track records. Quinnys 2100m time is 0.5 outside Has The Answers time and Quinny has beat Feelgood two (?) times over the 2500m in the last 2 months.
As I said earlier, potato patata...Fastest doesn't have to be defined as a mile rate under race conditions, it could be defined as a 200m sprint on the training track. IMO, Quinny has the greatest acceleration and greatest top speed of horses going around at the moment. That makes him the fastest. His 100% top speed over a shortish time is the fastest, whereas probably Smoken Ups 90% top speed but sustained over longer distances makes him the toughest of the horses currently racing.

[p plater]

Rather silly bringing up those track records. Quinnys 2100m time is 0.5 outside Has The Answers time and Quinny has beat Feelgood two (?) times over the 2500m in the last 2 months.
As I said earlier, potato patata...Fastest doesn't have to be defined as a mile rate under race conditions, it could be defined as a 200m sprint on the training track. IMO, Quinny has the greatest acceleration and greatest top speed of horses going around at the moment. That makes him the fastest. His 100% top speed over a shortish time is the fastest, whereas probably Smoken Ups 90% top speed but sustained over longer distances makes him the toughest of the horses currently racing.

Based on your definition of the Fastest horse....maybe "Has the Answers" is the one .....first 200m or first 400m or even the first 637m.......Brendan get real

[The Form Student]

Based on your definition of the Fastest horse....maybe "Has the Answers" is the one .....first 200m or first 400m or even the first 637m.......Brendan get real

you might be also right...........I wrote recently that Has The Answers has been a great horse.....to come out of the mobile like he does week after week is incredible.........he is definitely the fastest mobile beginner I have seen...............some of his sectionals have been incredible also............once again he falls into your category of over what distance is speed measured..............I will take your point and make ITMQ & HTA as equal fastest, until proven otherwise, bit I think ITMQ has just a bit more acceleration.........HTA is usually driven upfront and ITMQ is driven with a sit.......2 opposite racing styles.......if ITMQ was asked to come out of the mobile like HTA every week........they would probably need the horse ambulance on standby at the track!......SU does not possess the sheer speed of the other 2!
Why hasn't HTA been chasing the Grand Circuit mile races over the years........come out take a sit on SU......and have your go down the straight.....would have racked up some good prizemoney!

[eliteblood]

I wonder what is the official fastest qtr ever recorded in Aust / NZ ?
Anybody know ?

[aussiebreno]

Based on your definition of the Fastest horse....maybe "Has the Answers" is the one .....first 200m or first 400m or even the first 637m.......Brendan get real
Yes he has the fastest gate speed (that we get to see/of those who choose to fly the gate). Other notables out of the gate include Deadsetlucky although he doesn't get used as much now.
You know Usain Bolt is the fastest over 100m doesnt mean he is the fastest of the mile or a marathon?
If we got a speed gun out I reckon ITMQ would clock the highest reading, does that not make him the fastest?

Edit: Not sure why this even matters...Quinny is now a dual ID champ fastest or not :D

[Toohard]

Therefore I'd love to see Quinny get a sit on Smoken Up, or anybody, at Menangle over 1609.

That ain't going to happen this year Breno. As mentioned earlier he's not going in the Miracle Mile. Trainer said in interview on Sky after the Interdom final that the race doesn't suit him.

Now I could be a smart arse and say it doesn't suit him because that race is for the fastest horses. But I ain't a smart arse so I won't say it !!:D:D

[aussiebreno]

That ain't going to happen this year Breno. As mentioned earlier he's not going in the Miracle Mile. Trainer said in interview on Sky after the Interdom final that the race doesn't suit him.

Now I could be a smart arse and say it doesn't suit him because that race is for the fastest horses. But I ain't a smart arse so I won't say it !!:D:D
Just look at this caption under the photo of Smoken Up :p
http://www.menangleparkpaceway.com.au/

An interesting thing just crossed my mind re ITMQ not going to Miracle Mile...its has been 10 years since a horse has won both the Miracle Mile and ID, that being Smooth Satin and both of course on his home turf.

*Smoken Up pending.

[tyson]

Rather silly bringing up those track records. Quinnys 2100m time is 0.5 outside Has The Answers time and Quinny has beat Feelgood two (?) times over the 2500m in the last 2 months.
As I said earlier, potato patata...Fastest doesn't have to be defined as a mile rate under race conditions, it could be defined as a 200m sprint on the training track. IMO, Quinny has the greatest acceleration and greatest top speed of horses going around at the moment. That makes him the fastest. His 100% top speed over a shortish time is the fastest, whereas probably Smoken Ups 90% top speed but sustained over longer distances makes him the toughest of the horses currently racing.

0.5 on 2100M not 1700m. So your on a different ball game. You have no point!!!

The day ITMQ wins a 200M race and holds the record for 200M. Then he can be named the fastest horse over 200M,but i doubt we will ever see a 200M race. Once again a race is from start to finish. Not 600M,400M,200M sprints. who ever crosses the line first wins and if that happens to be the fastest time well guess what " thats the fastest horse "

[aussiebreno]

0.5 on 2100M not 1700m. So your on a different ball game. You have no point!!!

The day ITMQ wins a 200M race and holds the record for 200M. Then he can be named the fastest horse over 200M,but i doubt we will ever see a 200M race. Once again a race is from start to finish. Not 600M,400M,200M sprints. who ever crosses the line first wins and if that happens to be the fastest time well guess what " thats the fastest horse "
My point is he is 0.5 seconds outside that mile rate but over 400m further so I am pretty sure he would be able to beat Has The Answers time.

Googled 'fast definition' - not for my benefit but for others benefit - and here is the result; Fast: adjective; moving or capable of moving at high speed.
Where does it say the speed must be sustained for a certain period? But imo ITMQ has the highest high speed therefore he is the fastest.
There's no disputing that mile rate on the board Smoken Up has the fastest mile....but I think ITMQ can move/is capable of moving at higher speed.

Lets trawl back to year high school science/maths. Some posters in here are using time (specifically 1.48) as giving Smoken Up the fastest mantle. But velocity is in fact speed which = fastest. Velocity and time are two different things. So yes Smoken Up may have the better velocity over time (meaning he covers 1609 faster) but for just sheer velocity ITMQ does him.

So yes Smoken Up has the fastest mile rate on the board and thats a more prestigious honour than being the fastest mantle Quinny has, that being the fastest top speed imo.

If you can't see that and need a 200m race ran for you than I give up.

[The Form Student]

0.5 on 2100M not 1700m. So your on a different ball game. You have no point!!!

The day ITMQ wins a 200M race and holds the record for 200M. Then he can be named the fastest horse over 200M,but i doubt we will ever see a 200M race. Once again a race is from start to finish. Not 600M,400M,200M sprints. who ever crosses the line first wins and if that happens to be the fastest time well guess what " thats the fastest horse "

That is not correct, we are talking about the absolute speed a horse possesses, most of the fastest times for races of any distance are where other runners have setup the race for another horse to run on and win. You can have a horse as the fastest over a certain distance, e.g. Smoken Up at 1:48.5 over 1609 metres, but the track and conditions also play a significant part.......Menangle is also the fastest track, so you would expect the faterst times are run their! The most suitable conditions to record the fastest time, for e.g. over 1609 metres would be to find the track soil that provides for the best conditions for speed, and the most suitable weather conditons, and then a couple of galloping pacemakers and then run in a straght line, with the pacemakers putting on sectional times below the previous record, and then the pacemakers pulling out of the way so that the horse can finish off the last 200-300 metres. You would then get you fastest time..........Just like Donald Campbell in his "Bluebird" doing a time trial!
Now, as you know a horse cannot sprint at it's top speed forever........so there needs to be a defined distance for a horse to be measured over........I put 400-600 metres, and I would say that may even be too high, but suffice for now........Do you agree that the ID field was made up of most of our best horses available............well if you do, them ITMQ showed that he had more brilliant sheer speed than any other runner based on the sectional times he recorded.......but I will say the HTA was not far behind, and Auckland Reactor put in a great time in the 2nd series of heats.......but for acceleration during a race ITMQ had the best speed and was not doing this on the running line!

[clumsy]

Brenno
I declare you the winner of this going nowhere discussion!'!!!!!'!!!

[The Form Student]

My point is he is 0.5 seconds outside that mile rate but over 400m further so I am pretty sure he would be able to beat Has The Answers time.

Googled 'fast definition' - not for my benefit but for others benefit - and here is the result; Fast: adjective; moving or capable of moving at high speed.
Where does it say the speed must be sustained for a certain period? But imo ITMQ has the highest high speed therefore he is the fastest.
There's no disputing that mile rate on the board Smoken Up has the fastest mile....but I think ITMQ can move/is capable of moving at higher speed.

Lets trawl back to year high school science/maths. Some posters in here are using time (specifically 1.48) as giving Smoken Up the fastest mantle. But velocity is in fact speed which = fastest. Velocity and time are two different things. So yes Smoken Up may have the better velocity over time (meaning he covers 1609 faster) but for just sheer velocity ITMQ does him.

So yes Smoken Up has the fastest mile rate on the board and thats a more prestigious honour than being the fastest mantle Quinny has, that being the fastest top speed imo.

If you can't see that and need a 200m race ran for you than I give up.

Are you going Wagga trots today? Maybe the fastest horse will be there!

[Danno]

Brenno
I declare you the winner of this going nowhere discussion!'!!!!!'!!!

Good IDEA!!!ha ha Congrats too super stable picker! Ya mongrel!!!

Brenden, back to high school maths..."speed" is defined as the average velocity from one point to another ie. SU 1.48.5 over 1609 metres.
ITMQ may win the velocity test and definitely the speed test aroung GP's home turn.

Cheers,
Dan.

[p plater]

After his great win in the Interdom, I looked at Quinny's record in Australia and was surprised to see that over the last 2 seasons he has won 1 race at Bunbury and 1 at Cranbourne besides his outstanding record at Gloucester Park.
He has had 7 starts interstate for 1 win.
Australias best pacer....hmmm. WA's best pacer ....no doubt.

So what is the final answer to this thread.

ITMQ might not hold a record at any official race distance at GP but is the fastest horse around the last turn?
Like I said "WA's best pacer"

[mark diegutis]

I wonder what is the official fastest qtr ever recorded in Aust / NZ ?
Anybody know ?

Australia only . Was it Westburn Grant at HP one night when he & another ( Thorate maybe ) battled for the lead ? or was that the fasted lead time . Maybe Island Glow in the Newcastle Mile , Smoken up went 25.7 in his Len Smith 1.48.5 . Hopefully someone will know for sure . I'm just having a guess .

[Danno]

Australia only . Was it Westburn Grant at HP one night when he & another ( Thorate maybe ) battled for the lead ? or was that the fasted lead time . Maybe Island Glow in the Newcastle Mile , Smoken up went 25.7 in his Len Smith 1.48.5 . Hopefully someone will know for sure . I'm just having a guess .

I remember years ago Our Maestro was supposed to have run a furlong at Bankstown in 12 seconds or something in that vicinity. That'd be 202.5 metres in todays lingo.

[eliteblood]

Australia only . Was it Westburn Grant at HP one night when he & another ( Thorate maybe ) battled for the lead ? or was that the fasted lead time . Maybe Island Glow in the Newcastle Mile , Smoken up went 25.7 in his Len Smith 1.48.5 . Hopefully someone will know for sure . I'm just having a guess .

Smoken Up may have it with his 25.7. Westburn Grant ran 26.2 in the MIracle Mile duel with Thorate.

[The Form Student]

Smoken Up may have it with his 25.7. Westburn Grant ran 26.2 in the MIracle Mile duel with Thorate.

I think there have been others that have broken 26 out of the gate at Menangle, 26.2 at Harold Park is quick! I think on track size equivalent and radius of turns is faster the Smoken Up!

[aussiebreno]

So what is the final answer to this thread.

ITMQ might not hold a record at any official race distance at GP but is the fastest horse around the last turn?
Like I said "WA's best pacer"
Auckland Cup + undefeated in Inter in his last trip to NZ.

THe other 7 races:
Cranbourne Cup = winner
Vic Cup = 3rd beat Smoken Up home
Hunter Cup = 3rd run of the race good thing beaten.
Miracle Mile = 3rd burnt out - I doubt being burnt out like that he would have won at Gloucester Park
Popular Alm = 2nd in a track workout, Melpark Major away with murder, probably ran his final 800m in sub 53 and final quarter possibly under 26. Wouldn't have won at Gloucester Park.
Cranbourne Cup = 2nd. As good as Feelgood went that night I don't think Quinny would have lost that at his best and the week later in Vic Cup tells me something was up.
Vic Cup = abolotion. Wouldnt have won at Gloucester Park.

[The Form Student]

This is the fastest horse in Australian history!.......ITMQ first ID heats against HTA.......last half 54.6 and last 400 in 26.4 at the end of a 1700 metre race in 1:55.8 on GP, not the start of a race when at full flight. This is absolute raw speed! HTA does not have the answer to this!
http://www.harness.org.au/video/wa/GPM17021201.mp4

[p plater]

Auckland Cup + undefeated in Inter in his last trip to NZ.

THe other 7 races:
Cranbourne Cup = winner
Vic Cup = 3rd beat Smoken Up home
Hunter Cup = 3rd run of the race good thing beaten.
Miracle Mile = 3rd burnt out - I doubt being burnt out like that he would have won at Gloucester Park
Popular Alm = 2nd in a track workout, Melpark Major away with murder, probably ran his final 800m in sub 53 and final quarter possibly under 26. Wouldn't have won at Gloucester Park.
Cranbourne Cup = 2nd. As good as Feelgood went that night I don't think Quinny would have lost that at his best and the week later in Vic Cup tells me something was up.
Vic Cup = abolotion. Wouldnt have won at Gloucester Park.

Written like a true fan

[eliteblood]

I think there have been others that have broken 26 out of the gate at Menangle, 26.2 at Harold Park is quick! I think on track size equivalent and radius of turns is faster the Smoken Up!

Sabilize went 25.9 on Moonee Valley one night. I don't know if that was the quickest.

[aussiebreno]

Written like a true fan
And they say Collingwood fans are the only one-eyed supporters! :p

[clumsy]

Mister Anthony 25.5 first Q. 9/04/2011 Menagle. Best I could come up with.

[The Form Student]

Mister Anthony 25.5 first Q. 9/04/2011 Menagle. Best I could come up with.

That is good work...........looks like it puts SU out of the race for fastest...............I don't believe anybody can Question ITMQ is our fastest horse by a country mile! In the ID he made all runners look 2nd rate........all were outsprinted!

[Toohard]

That is good work...........looks like it puts SU out of the race for fastest...............I don't believe anybody can Question ITMQ is our fastest horse by a country mile! In the ID he made all runners look 2nd rate........all were outsprinted!


Put's Smoken Up out of the race and makes ITMQ the fastest???

Put's Smoken Up out the race and makes Mister Anthony the fastest doesn't it??

I looked everywhere. Can't find anything that shows fastest horse over 400m, 600m or 800m so can't supply any numbers. All can find is fastest miles. Guess thats the measurement used to work out who is the fastest horse.

Puts Smoken Up back in 'the race?' :cool::cool:

[LisaB25]

So what is the final answer to this thread.

ITMQ might not hold a record at any official race distance at GP but is the fastest horse around the last turn?
Like I said "WA's best pacer"
He still holds 3 records at GP, 2100mobile and 2 of the stand distances, did hold the 2500 before MF bettered it in the 3rd heats. Also holds 2500 at bunbury. Has his fair share on track records still.

[Toohard]

Just been 'told' by he who knows....

20/10/10 Cordina Sprint, Menangle: Lonestar Legend led - Our Malabar on his outside, 25.4 first quarter.

Puts Mr Anthony out of the race!!

[clumsy]

Just been 'told' by he who knows....

20/10/10 Cordina Sprint, Menangle: Lonestar Legend led - Our Malabar on his outside, 25.4 first quarter.

Puts Mr Anthony out of the race!!
Must have been a trial as Menangle did not race on this date.

[aussiebreno]

Well the pole horse in race one at Wagga today was first horse out on the track today so pretty sure Holy Camp Girl is the fastest.

[p plater]

Just been 'told' by he who knows....

20/10/10 Cordina Sprint, Menangle: Lonestar Legend led - Our Malabar on his outside, 25.4 first quarter.

Puts Mr Anthony out of the race!!

That race was on 20th Nov 2010

[Triple V]

The fastest gate almost to the wire effort I have seen live was Island Glow at HP. Can't remember the exact sectionals but they went 1:55 & a piece for the 2160m which was low flying back then on that track and got narrowly beaten by BPH and OSV. Island Glow absolutely blasted off the arm, left like a Bat out of Hell, and kept on rolling. Wicked high speed. Mouse trained/drove him that night. It was the Bohemia Crystal FFA.

[Toohard]

Have question. Son been asking questions bout how much extra ground u cover outside leader, 3 wide, etc. So got all we need to work it out (pythagorus theory, slide rule, etc) except for 1 thing. Question is, in racing formation, how far apart are the drivers? Say from the nose of the driver on fence to nose of driver sitting exactly alongside but 1 off the fence?

[broncobrad]

Have question. Son been asking questions bout how much extra ground u cover outside leader, 3 wide, etc. So got all we need to work it out (pythagorus theory, slide rule, etc) except for 1 thing. Question is, in racing formation, how far apart are the drivers? Say from the nose of the driver on fence to nose of driver sitting exactly alongside but 1 off the fence?

That Luke is an inquisitive little bugga Paul. Racebooks used to show how many metres the one, two and 3 wide spider lines used to cover extra each lap. Is that what you mean? It's all a bit too mathematically challenging for me to participate in this ongoing conversation.

[p plater]

Have question. Son been asking questions bout how much extra ground u cover outside leader, 3 wide, etc. So got all we need to work it out (pythagorus theory, slide rule, etc) except for 1 thing. Question is, in racing formation, how far apart are the drivers? Say from the nose of the driver on fence to nose of driver sitting exactly alongside but 1 off the fence?


Found this on the Regal Sulkies site

http://www.rjwalsh.com.au/images/specs.gif
Length: 3.05 metres (10 feet)
Width: 1.2 metres (47 1/4 inches - Just under 4 feet)

Note: The width of Australasian sulkies is their maximum outside width at any point. By comparison, a US sulky's width is typically measured as the gap between the inside of the wheel axles. The difference between the two systems being in the order of 300mm (about one foot). In other words, a US sulky of the same nominal width as an Australian sulky would be 0.3 metres wider.



Assuming identical sulkies used then it would be the width of 1 sulky plus any space allowance between them, as they don't race exactly wheel on wheel, so maybe 6" or 150mm

[Danno]

Have question. Son been asking questions bout how much extra ground u cover outside leader, 3 wide, etc. So got all we need to work it out (pythagorus theory, slide rule, etc) except for 1 thing. Question is, in racing formation, how far apart are the drivers? Say from the nose of the driver on fence to nose of driver sitting exactly alongside but 1 off the fence?

G'day Paul,
bailey is on the money with his figures, one thing you and the young bloke will notice when doing your equations is that no matter what the circumference /diameter of each turn the horse on the outer loses exactly the same amount of ground per turn ie; Menangle approx 2.1 metres per turn/Parkes 2.1 metres per turn per gig width.

The bigger the track the less ground lost per mile per gig width due to the less turns negotiated.

cheers,
Dan

[Bandito]

For fastest sprinter (as in acceleration) as opposed to fastest (which has to be fastest MR) I remember one called Chandon who, at least in my memory, used to leave the others standing when he accelerated.

[Triple V]

He was wicked quick. I remember Fred Kersley tipping him out and letting him go and he would rip around them it seemed in a couple of strides and then draw off by a couple.
Another very quick horse I recall was Soky's Digit. Dennis Wilson had him here in Sydney. He was only around for a short while, never reached his potential...but geeze, he was so fast for a piece. Accelerated like a motorbike. He was from the same immediate family as Saab etc.

[Toohard]

G'day Paul,
bailey is on the money with his figures, one thing you and the young bloke will notice when doing your equations is that no matter what the circumference /diameter of each turn the horse on the outer loses exactly the same amount of ground per turn ie; Menangle approx 2.1 metres per turn/Parkes 2.1 metres per turn per gig width.

The bigger the track the less ground lost per mile per gig width due to the less turns negotiated.

cheers,
Dan

Gday Dan and Bailey and thanks for your help! Young bloke extermely inquisitive about all things harness racing. Usually about things like this I can't supply a quick answer too!

You're right Dan. Doesn't matter which track. The amount of ground is the same per lap per sulky width. But we are getting 8.5 metres per lap (4.25 per turn). What are we doing wrong?

Using Gloucester Park as example. Says radius of turns 82m's. Translates to circumference 515.2m. Assume width of sulky + distance between 1.35m. So do calc again based on radius 83.35 (82 + 1.35) gives me circumference 523.7m. So 8.5m further for 1 lap. Do again based on radius 84.7 (82 + 1.35 + 1.35) = 532.2m. Again + 8.5m for 1 lap.

Thanks again for your help
Cheers

[strong persuader]

Hi Paul, I think your maths is good. I did some calculations a few years back based on each horse being 1.5 metres wider than the one inside and came up with a figure of having to cover just shy of 9.5 metres per turn.

Isn't it grand trying to help the kids with Math when they have changed how they do all their calculations :) Recall being dismayed when the kids told me that they don't borrow or carry over any more, and for the life of me, I couldn't get my head around how they were taught to do subtraction and addition. But had the pleasure of helping one of the daughters last year with fractions, just began with, "I don't know how you are meant to work it out but this is how I was taught" :)

[strong persuader]

For fastest sprinter (as in acceleration) as opposed to fastest (which has to be fastest MR) I remember one called Chandon who, at least in my memory, used to leave the others standing when he accelerated.
Another in this category would be Thorate. I remember Keven Rivett telling me once that if you were turning for home, the last horse you wanted on your back was Thorate!

[Danno]

Gday Dan and Bailey and thanks for your help! Young bloke extermely inquisitive about all things harness racing. Usually about things like this I can't supply a quick answer too!

You're right Dan. Doesn't matter which track. The amount of ground is the same per lap per sulky width. But we are getting 8.5 metres per lap (4.25 per turn). What are we doing wrong?

Using Gloucester Park as example. Says radius of turns 82m's. Translates to circumference 515.2m. Assume width of sulky + distance between 1.35m. So do calc again based on radius 83.35 (82 + 1.35) gives me circumference 523.7m. So 8.5m further for 1 lap. Do again based on radius 84.7 (82 + 1.35 + 1.35) = 532.2m. Again + 8.5m for 1 lap.

Thanks again for your help
Cheers

G'day Paul,
your not doing anything wrong!
your maths are good, it was mine that were flawed, I was only adding gig width to diameter not radius, hence my figures approx half yours. My excuse is it is many years since I was Lukes age and did these calcs myself....AND in those days I was using feet not metres, so old figures in head didn't kick in. ( My forte' is excuses)

Cheers,

Dan

[broncobrad]

Thought this horse Yucatchim, in the Boort Cup yesterday, deserved special mention for a pretty quick 2nd qtr of the first mile if you believe the article...

I backed the 2nd horse Amadmancomesundone who, although brave, on times had no chance.

http://www.harness.org.au/news-article.cfm?news_id=17898

[aussiebreno]

Thought this horse Yucatchim, in the Boort Cup yesterday, deserved special mention for a pretty quick 2nd qtr of the first mile if you believe the article...

I backed the 2nd horse Amadmancomesundone who, although brave, on times had no chance.

http://www.harness.org.au/news-article.cfm?news_id=17898
Will win grand circuit races if he can pull of quarters like that!

[The Form Student]

Unfortunately, that quarter was 30.4 not 20.4!

[broncobrad]

Amadmancomesundone got some justice last night winning the Ararat Cup after getting a beautiful trail behind the leader and sprint laning. He was as stiff as buggery the week before doing all the bullocking work and getting nabbed in the final stages at Boort. Love to see consistent horses get their rewards.