NSW Industry wins Race Fields Legislation Case

[Triple V]

The full bench of the High Court threw out the appeal. Nice work fellas.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-03-30/racing-nsw-wins-court-battle/3922762/?site=melbourne

[geoffkel]

Will be interesting to see what happens from here on!!!!

[Triple V]

Indeed.
I'm no great fan of the NSW TAB because only for the fact that they have been dragged kicking & screaming into the 21st century by way compeition from the advent of Betfair & the Corporates, NSW Punters would not have & enjoy the wagering landscape they do today.
That being said, both Betfair & the Corporates need to pay their way as far as their use of our Industry's race fields are concerned. You can't put your cattle next door to eat the neighbour's grass then go off to the saleyards, sell them and keep all the proceeds. It just does not work that way.
This is the upbeat message that the NSW Industry has been hanging out for and I'm thrilled that it has come to pass.

[Danno]

Bonza,bonza,bonza,bonza!!!! Like everyone I was hoping and praying justice would prevail, and it has!

[Itisi]

Indeed.
I'm no great fan of the NSW TAB because only for the fact that they have been dragged kicking & screaming into the 21st century by way compeition from the advent of Betfair & the Corporates, NSW Punters would not have & enjoy the wagering landscape they do today.
That being said, both Betfair & the Corporates need to pay their way as far as their use of our Industry's race fields are concerned. You can't put your cattle next door to eat the neighbour's grass then go off to the saleyards, sell them and keep all the proceeds. It just does not work that way.
This is the upbeat message that the NSW Industry has been hanging out for and I'm thrilled that it has come to pass.
So does this help Vic racing or does it only apply to NSW,and if it does did the industry down here help pay the cost of it all

[aussiebreno]

So does this help Vic racing or does it only apply to NSW,and if it does did the industry down here help pay the cost of it all
I'd assume Vic would get all the benefits from no effort.

[G-Mac]

I'd assume Vic would get all the benefits from no effort.

Spot on. They all sat back and waited to see what would happen from this and offered zero help.
And in the mean time did their best to advance their own industry while NSW was handicapped.

[Triple V]

I think you're being a bit harsh re: VIC.
How else would the upper echelons be able to accumulate enough promotional money to...

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...buy some R. M Williams moleskins.
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...pick up a Tooralie jumper.

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....some Ray Ban aviators and...


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....head off to hob knob around the bar in Centre Square at 'The G'?

:rolleyes:

[jimmy777]

Indeed.
I'm no great fan of the NSW TAB because only for the fact that they have been dragged kicking & screaming into the 21st century by way compeition from the advent of Betfair & the Corporates, NSW Punters would not have & enjoy the wagering landscape they do today.
That being said, both Betfair & the Corporates need to pay their way as far as their use of our Industry's race fields are concerned. You can't put your cattle next door to eat the neighbour's grass then go off to the saleyards, sell them and keep all the proceeds. It just does not work that way.
This is the upbeat message that the NSW Industry has been hanging out for and I'm thrilled that it has come to pass.

To be fair to NSW TAB, I think they have been paying the 1.5% on turnover for a long time now and have been at a disadvantage to the Corporate bookies who have been paying zilch, nothing.
The interesting thing will be to see how they all, corporates and TAB, react to playing on a level playing field????

[The Rainmaker]

This is great news. I am interested to see how much extra $$$ per annum this will pour into the HRNSW coffers and how it will be used. Hopefully it will be used to reinstate/program extra meetings for those clubs who recently lost out under the HRNSW 2012/2013 plan and to boost prizemoney at meetings in NSW other than Menangle metro.

[William]

Perhaps now the total turnover figures from all sources will be made public. Most of us have noticed the decline in TAB pools, and some have alluded to some of this drop-off being made up for by an increase in fixed odds betting, but the actual figures have never been published to my knowledge.

[broncobrad]

It is a huge win for NSW. Atleast the money is IN THE BANK and does not have to be chased. The corporates get no sympathy from me, come to think of it no bookie does. If they are going to whinge about the lack of competitiveness after this loss, then they can go and cry in their own tea cup. They invited themselves into a market place that has given them squillions for nothing. Maybe they will run a book on which business will go broke first.

See V'Landys reckons he can start spending up on infrastructure after the win. Hope someone reminds him there are racing clubs outside the city limits and some realistic funding is earmarked for us country cousins who survive or perish on decisions that are made not fully comprehending the importance that country racing plays in our lives.

[Triple V]

Done good, played strong. No more ex-Tedesco's Hire Suits for Peter. :rolleyes:

[aussiebreno]

Sam Nati was just on 2ky, plans for Menangle prize-money to jump from $22 to $50K and for normal C front races to be $10,000 by the 2014-15 financial year on the back of this result. That's great news, if that is the general trend for all states harness racing (and all racing) will once again be one of the dominant sports in the country.

[William]

Sam Nati was just on 2ky, plans for Menangle prize-money to jump from $22 to $50K and for normal C front races to be $10,000 by the 2014-15 financial year on the back of this result. That's great news, if that is the general trend for all states harness racing (and all racing) will once again be one of the dominant sports in the country.
That's amazing. It's hard to believe that a club which sometimes has win pools of $14 000 on Friday and Saturday nights can generate enough commission to cover that kind of prizemoney, unless there is huge betting with fixed odds operators which is currently going unreported.

[aussiebreno]

That's amazing. It's hard to believe that a club which sometimes has win pools of $14 000 on Friday and Saturday nights can generate enough commission to cover that kind of prizemoney, unless there is huge betting with fixed odds operators which is currently going unreported.
Maybe I should have upped my figures....what was the date yesty champ?
But yes, a fair whack of money would go to corporates.

[Don Corleone]

:p:eek::cool::cool: Well done brenno.

[little fish]

Great news for the industry. Those figures are hard to believe though - 50k for your M0-1-2 etc? If true that is incredible. If it comes to fruition it will have a positive knock on affect at the sales too.

[Triple V]

In all seriousness, that was a VERY BIG effort from Peter V'Landys.
Never one to allow the grass to grow under his feet, now he's going after wagering Tax relief from the NSW Government. If he gets that up, as far as Harness Racing is concerned it will represent a NSW TAB Distribution/Race Fields Legislation/Wagering Tax Relief Trifecta.
I've been a critic of his on numerous occasions over the years, the most recent being his offer/behind the scenes push to provide out-sourced Stewarding for Harness Racing, but credit where it is due. He deserves our thanks.

[William]

Maybe I should have upped my figures....what was the date yesty champ?
But yes, a fair whack of money would go to corporates.
very good :)

[Triple V]

Some more good news. Apparently Bathurst HRC have their plans for a new 1000m track on the old Saleyards site about to go before Council.

[little fish]

Fair dinkum nothing personal to anyone but if you read these forums over a period of time you'd go from suicidal to ecstatic and back and forth, over and over ..... and over...

One minute harness is on deaths door next we're looking to the future with great optimism!

[Mighty Atom]

If that is correct and prize money is going to rise from 22k to 50k it will be detrimental to all harness racing states except N.S.W. Sure, Vic & W.A. will raise their stakes but certainly not to that level and I certainly fear for Queensland S.A. & Tas. There will be trainers relocating to menangle from all states and the industry will be centred in N.S.W. Vic & W.A. will become the also rans and the rest wont exist. Racing Queensland would be looking at this and would be concluding why bother to prop up harness racing in Qld when they can all move down the road to menangle or thereabouts. As I said great for N.S.W. but the other states I'm not so sure.

[bbd]

If that is correct and prize money is going to rise from 22k to 50k it will be detrimental to all harness racing states except N.S.W. Sure, Vic & W.A. will raise their stakes but certainly not to that level and I certainly fear for Queensland S.A. & Tas. There will be trainers relocating to menangle from all states and the industry will be centred in N.S.W. Vic & W.A. will become the also rans and the rest wont exist. Racing Queensland would be looking at this and would be concluding why bother to prop up harness racing in Qld when they can all move down the road to menangle or thereabouts. As I said great for N.S.W. but the other states I'm not so sure.

relax everyone! It was an April fools joke.
Looks like it was a good one

[aussiebreno]

If that is correct and prize money is going to rise from 22k to 50k it will be detrimental to all harness racing states except N.S.W. Sure, Vic & W.A. will raise their stakes but certainly not to that level and I certainly fear for Queensland S.A. & Tas. There will be trainers relocating to menangle from all states and the industry will be centred in N.S.W. Vic & W.A. will become the also rans and the rest wont exist. Racing Queensland would be looking at this and would be concluding why bother to prop up harness racing in Qld when they can all move down the road to menangle or thereabouts. As I said great for N.S.W. but the other states I'm not so sure.
1) It was an April Fools Joke.
2) HRNSW is its own business separate from RQLD, RWWA, HRV so if they wanted to put prize-money to $100,000 that's their decision. However, I do sympathize with other states being left behind.
3) Other states will, I believe, get the same benefits eg their market share of race field fees. NSW isn't the only state to benefit from this.

[Itisi]

1) It was an April Fools Joke.
2) HRNSW is its own business separate from RQLD, RWWA, HRV so if they wanted to put prize-money to $100,000 that's their decision. However, I do sympathize with other states being left behind.
3) Other states will, I believe, get the same benefits eg their market share of race field fees. NSW isn't the only state to benefit from this.This action does not apply to Victoria I found out, they signed an agreement a year or so ago and went down a different path to NSW. I received an email today from Betfair saying that it will cost them six times more to put their product in NSW and will try to sought something out soon.

[2minuteman]

This action does not apply to Victoria I found out, they signed an agreement a year or so ago and went down a different path to NSW. I received an email today from Betfair saying that it will cost them six times more to put their product in NSW and will try to sought something out soon.
Six times more.Bloody hell,does that means no more Betfair in NSW.BELIEVE THAT AND YOU BELIEVE IN THE TOOTH FAIRY.

[Triple V]

Betfair have been giving this a fair old workout of late. http://startupista.com/corporate-bullshit-generator/

[mightymo]

Im pretty certain the current agreement in place in Victoria expires at the end of the season. Thats assuming they dont enact legislation prior to that finishing date

[David Summers]

Betfair have been giving this a fair old workout of late. http://startupista.com/corporate-bullshit-generator/

Betfair must have used this BS Generator liberally to write this crap http://www.racingandsports.com.au/racing/rsNewsArt.asp?NID=244656&story=Betfair_Customer_Announcement

[broncobrad]

Betfair must have used this BS Generator liberally to write this crap http://www.racingandsports.com.au/racing/rsNewsArt.asp?NID=244656&story=Betfair_Customer_Announcement

Spot on David, spin, spin and more spin. Boo bloody hoo, sob bloody sob. Parasites. "Cost six times more to operate, turnover over tax reduces competition and wont help the punter." Well if it is all too much then bugger off. Not bloody likely, PARASITES. Anyone expect them to move business out of NSW. Ooh, scared.

Who writes this shit and how gullible do they think we are?

[David Summers]

I never have and never would invest even 10 cents with Betfair. If it is all too hard for them to survive then leave Australia altogether. If they stay ( which I have no doubt they will and still operate on NSW races despite all Betfair's utter crap statements throughout all this ) , then I will be pleased that at least the NSW racing industry will benefit. If they can't stand the heat then get out of the kitchen.

How much are they going to squeal ( and continue with their non-stop BS spin again) when ALL the other states follow NSW's lead over the next year.

Betfair , your cheap ride is OVER!!

[2minuteman]

Betfair must have used this BS Generator liberally to write this crap http://www.racingandsports.com.au/racing/rsNewsArt.asp?NID=244656&story=Betfair_Customer_Announcement
"In fact at certain levels a revenue fee will return more to the racing industry than a turnover based system."
In fact at all levels someone is a dribbler.How on God's earth can revenue (assuming that revenue is a metaphor for profit) exceed turnover given that the % takeout is the same for both???

[little fish]

"Betfair customers understand that our product differs significantly from that of a traditional bookmaker and the totes, providing innovative ways of engaging with wagering and racing and a new value proposition that provides an incremental benefit to the punter and therefore to racing."

Shouldn't the last bit read "benefit to punter but NOT to racing"?

These corporate parasites really do know how to talk sh.t when it suits don't they.

[aussiebreno]

"Betfair customers understand that our product differs significantly from that of a traditional bookmaker and the totes, providing innovative ways of engaging with wagering and racing and a new value proposition that provides an incremental benefit to the punter and therefore to racing."

Shouldn't the last bit read "benefit to punter but NOT to racing"?

These corporate parasites really do know how to talk sh.t when it suits don't they.
There still is 'some' benefit to racing. Other corporates or rails bookies lay off to betfair.
Now where is the benefit there I hear you say.
Well, since the inception of betfair the 'courage' of bookies increased, allowing larger bets which bookies can then lay off on betfair. Remembering Racing gets a slice of those larger bets - which without Betfair in place may not have been taken in the first place.
Of course that is more relevant to the thoroughbred racing with the big bets but point stands.

[Triple V]

Following in the footsteps of former NSW PM. Bob 'See ya folks, I'm off to work at Maquarie Bank' Carr, old mate Karl Bitar jumped off the foundering Labor Party ship and went to work for Crown Casino so there's a proud tradition to be upheld. Perhaps we've inadvertently gone & worked out the answer to the burning question....where their dear old mate, Mark Habib, is heading? Could it possibly be...Betfair?

That would see the unholiest of unholy Sussex St. Triumvirates back together in all of its gorey glory.
Sen. Bob in the Nation's Capital, Crown Casino Lobbyist Karl & Markey Mark in a big chair at Betfair. Whacko The Chook! It would be on for young and old!

If it comes to pass you'd also have to wonder how long it will be before Richo gives up the Sky News channel pre-cursor to Paul Murray Live, fires a bucket-load of ol' Grecian 2000 into his remaining thin, grey thatch and goes to work for...Paddy Power?

Inquiring minds would like to know. :rolleyes: (with thanks to Luca Derrico).

[doncht]

That would see the unholiest of unholy Sussex St. Triumvirates back together in all of its gorey glory.
Sen. Bob in the Nation's Capital, Crown Casino Lobbyist Karl & Markey Mark in a big chair at Betfair. Whacko The Chook! It would be on for young and old!

Well said. I think that was just bound to happen. https://imagicon.info/cat/10-3/smile4.png

[Messenger]

Don Chet is an acronym

Does old not Current, he's extra terrestial.

Have a good Christmas Don ;)

[brent_L]

He broke out of the asylum again late last night.

[kung fu man]

Hopefully it can be used to get rid of 3000 and 4000 dollar races in NSW ,oh well plenty of trainers in Victoria