Who is training Lukes horses

[p plater]

You would think with a new stable and bigger prizemoney in Sydney, John would be based in Sydney but he elects to drive in Qld.
Maybe Mat Rue is training the team or someone else not mentioned

[aussiebreno]

You would think with a new stable and bigger prizemoney in Sydney, John would be based in Sydney but he elects to drive in Qld.
Maybe Mat Rue is training the team or someone else not mentioned

I'm sure if you lined up Lightning McCool, Miysis, Eloquent Babe, Lettucerocku, Numberone Amenophis and Asoka at a rail John would be able to tell them apart and tell you what gear each horse wears.....Note the sarcasm.

That's no blight on John and his horsemanship though - he is a top trainer in his own right and his record speaks for itself. But, even the best wouldn't be able to name horses and the gear they wear when they've never laid eyes on them before!

If he can in fact name the horses and the gear I would only be too happy to be proved wrong. But alas I don't think that is the case.

[HISGEN65]

if I was John I would stay in QLD too...

[Triple V]

This is more than a little selective fellas, don't you think? It is not as though this sets a precedent.
Over the years there have been & are any number of Trainers who, trans City, State, Continent or Tasman, have horses racing in their names despite them being elsewhere at the time. To my knowledge there is no requirement, there never has been a requirement, there never will be a requirement, that a Trainer be alongside any or all of his/her horses at every tick of the clock, 24/7/365. Back when BPH used to go chasing NSW Sires Stakes and later on ID's, all of his horses still raced in his name despite him being elsewhere at that point in time and often for extended periods thereof. How is this any different?

[aussiebreno]

This is more than a little selective fellas, don't you think? It is not as though this sets a precedent.
Over the years there have been & are any number of Trainers who, trans City, State, Continent or Tasman, have horses racing in their names despite them being elsewhere at the time. To my knowledge there is no requirement, there never has been a requirement, there never will be a requirement, that a Trainer be alongside any or all of his/her horses at every tick of the clock, 24/7/365. Back when BPH used to go chasing NSW Sires Stakes and later on ID's, all of his horses still raced in his name despite him being elsewhere at that point in time and often for extended periods thereof. How is this any different?
People were critical of the Morris/K Turner switch over on this very forum. People have criticised Graeme Rogerson in both the harness and thoroughbred world for his training arrangements.

There is no fair way around the rule, and John McCarthy or anybody is fully entitled to do what they are doing no doubt about that. But let's not compare it to a trainer taking a stable star away for a few weeks, thats an insult to peoples intelligence.

Edit: And I don't have much intelligence to start with so please don't insult it!

[p plater]

This is more than a little selective fellas, don't you think? It is not as though this sets a precedent.
Over the years there have been & are any number of Trainers who, trans City, State, Continent or Tasman, have horses racing in their names despite them being elsewhere at the time. To my knowledge there is no requirement, there never has been a requirement, there never will be a requirement, that a Trainer be alongside any or all of his/her horses at every tick of the clock, 24/7/365. Back when BPH used to go chasing NSW Sires Stakes and later on ID's, all of his horses still raced in his name despite him being elsewhere at that point in time and often for extended periods thereof. How is this any different?

It's different give the volume of horses........40 plus

[little fish]

Has anything actually changed other than the 'L' to a 'J' in the racebook under 'trainer'?

[Triple V]

It's different give the volume of horses........40 plus

[VVV] So the rules of racing are in fact fluid and the weight of their application is at a whim & in direct relation to the size of the stable? Sorry mate, guilty as charged there Bailey. That's selective.

[Triple V]

People were critical of the Morris/K Turner switch over on this very forum. People have criticised Graeme Rogerson in both the harness and thoroughbred world for his training arrangements.

There is no fair way around the rule, and John McCarthy or anybody is fully entitled to do what they are doing no doubt about that. But let's not compare it to a trainer taking a stable star away for a few weeks, thats an insult to peoples intelligence.

Edit: And I don't have much intelligence to start with so please don't insult it!

[VVV] Not attempting to insult anyone's grey matter Breno. Mine has been in full reverse for some time now & sans the aid of Coffee and the occasional cheeky shiraz it would seize up and cease to function.
Nevertheless, the rules are the rules are the rules...and they are applied as written. To my knowledge they do not have any < nor or > aspects to them in terms of a specified number of days in attendance, specified numbers of horses being trained etc. Further to this, HRNSW doesn't appear to have any issue with John being named as Trainer.
On a general note, it is hardly without precedent either recently or significantly in the past. I am old enough to remember Andrew Peace winning both the VIC and NSW Trainer's Premierships in the same season, he had sizeable stables in both States (take note Bailey) and again, to my knowledge, the rules governing this aspect of Racing have not changed much if at all since then.

[p plater]

[VVV] So the rules of racing are in fact fluid and the weight of their application is at a whim & in direct relation to the size of the stable? Sorry mate, guilty as charged there Bailey. That's selective.

Jamie, maybe may stance could be highlighted by the fast class race at Menangle last night, where the stable had almost 50% of the field. Not a great look for the sport with a stable with so many runners, a dozen at the meeting and the trainer nowhere to be seen.

[tyson]

That is a pretty poor comment. John works for his owners who have horses with him in QLD so his number one priority are his owners. Putting Lukes stable in his name is helping out not only his son but also the sport. HRNSW should've approved Belinda as trainer. Lucky Luke has great staff who will keep the stable on top

Good to see that Jay will get a few drives out of this as well...

[p plater]

That is a pretty poor comment. John works for his owners who have horses with him in QLD so his number one priority are his owners. Putting Lukes stable in his name is helping out not only his son but also the sport. HRNSW should've approved Belinda as trainer. Lucky Luke has great staff who will keep the stable on top

Good to see that Jay will get a few drives out of this as well...

Tyson, how does your comments about looking after his Qld owners sit with the vast number of NSW owners.
Jamie, I stand corrected but I believe the current rules are that after 2 weeks, absent trainers must transfer to the trainer looking after the horse. You see this regularly with NZ trainers who leave horses in Aust. The problem here is and I stand corrected Mat Rue is not a trainer, so maybe Belinda is the answer but not from her home.

[aussiebreno]

Good to see that Jay will get a few drives out of this as well...
I thought he was DQed for his role in the Harkham race?

[Triple V]

Jamie, maybe may stance could be highlighted by the fast class race at Menangle last night, where the stable had almost 50% of the field. Not a great look for the sport with a stable with so many runners, a dozen at the meeting and the trainer nowhere to be seen.

[VVV] Geeze, the old hysteria tacho needle's gone deep into the red zone now. While you're at it, make sure that Matt Rue polishes his boots between drives.

[steve]

thank you very much one was mine

[barney]

Luke has been granted on appeal a stay of proceedings. source www.harness.org.au/stewards wrap

[p plater]

And the answer to this thread is..............Luke.......as of today

[racefair]

And if he's found guilty thereafter does he risk disqualification by the new penalty guidelines set out by HRNSW on the 5th June? http://www.harness.org.au/news-article.cfm?news_id=18370

[Greg Hando]

Probably not as he had already had 1 trial and penalised accordingly so to speak and i don't think you can backdate a penalty as the new one's didn't come into effect until after the charge's had been laid and heard. This is the way i see it.