Artesian

[trotpace]

Any opinions on the sire Artesian?

I saw his best one to date was David Hercules. I did see some photos of an amazing colt by him posted on www.flickr.com

Thank you

[trotpace]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FLi_yLn6_s

[trotpace]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yv196RmsN7k

[buster]

dont like him

[trotpace]

Why not?

[trotpace]

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artesian

[mango]

David Hercules very nice horse and has won $322,00

Artesian stats
360 foals
28 winners
$740,000

So if you take David Hercules out that means the rest of them have a combined earnings of $418,000 which is pretty average and winners to foals percentage is only 13%.

[trotpace]

I know the stats but what im saying is he never saw a good mare.

[trotpace]

Too many people don't look deep enough when evaluating a stallion. If your going to be a stats guy at least look deep. That is what i do. The horse had amazing early speed and has great looks. Many of his foals out of less then average mares look great. How would his offspring be if he saw the mares Rocking Roll Hanover, Cams Card Shark, Somebeachsomewhere and Art Major see? Of course this can be said for many other studs who people look past because of this issue.

[justdoit]

Hi trotpace,
Artesian stood at Alabar in Australia and at Tarahills stud in Canada, not many studs better at getting mares for sires. The mares he bred were no more or no less than what you would expect for a horse of his calibre.
He has IMO had as good, if not a better start to his stud career than alot of sires. No excuses.
You are correct that he looks good and his foals also look good, it is just a shame that looks do not always guarantee ability:)

Hi Mango, Jorg is Best looked a good one but went a miss unfortunately.

[mango]

Hi Jusdoit
Your correct and if a stallion can't make it at those studs he will never make it anywhere, i know a few people that have had progeny by Artesian and they class them a little on the weak side. And Jorg Is Best looked to have the goods before his untimely death as an early 3yr old and the mare he was out of Intoxicating was a very handy mare from a strong family.

Hi Trotpace
Even though he didn't get the top run of mare's he should still of done a better job than what his stats show. There has been lesser stallions than Artesian who got below average mare's but still put the runs on the board better than him.

[buster]

intoxicating is a terrific mare, shes thrown one as good as jorg in mister sheedy

[mango]

Hi Buster
Intoxicating is a terrific mare but i cant see how she has thrown one as good as Jorg Is Best.

Jorg Is Best 8 starts 4 wins 3 places best m.r 1.55.6 as a 2yr old and raced in group 1 company.

Mister Sheedy 1 start 1 win best m.r 2.03.9 winning at Nyah.

I'm not saying he won't turn out to be a good horse but at present he isn't anywhere in the same class Jorg was.

[buster]

dont worry about that they are just looking after him, take my word on that

[mango]

Hi Buster
Thanks for the tip i'll be keeping an eye out, you must have inside info and thats why you made the statement you did.

[trotpace]

Are you saying Intoxicating has one by Artesian?

[trotpace]

http://www.alabar.com.au/Portals/0/docs/Pedigrees/Artesian/Jorg%20Is%20Best.HTML

OK i see what your saying now.

[trotpace]

Hows has David Hercules been doing?

[mango]

Hi Trotpace
David Hercules has had 4 starts this season for a 2nd and 3 fourths, his starts have been in heats and finals of 4yr old classic races.

[trotpace]

Thank you.

[justdoit]

I see Intoxicatings yearling was a buy back at the premium sale

[trotpace]

Who was the sire of the yearling?

[mango]

Grinfromeartoear

[buster]

i thought he looked a nice horse, but didnt look that closely, might have been something wrong with it

[mango]

Hi Trotpace

David Hercules had his 1st start back for 11wks last night he won the race which was over 2100m his M.R was 1.57.7 and won by 27.8m.

[trotpace]

Thank you for the update.

I used to know of a site with free race replays from down-under but i lost the link. Any idea of what site that is?

[mango]

Hi Trotpace

The site your looking for is www.harness.org.au go to racing then results and David Hercules raced at Gloucestar Park on the 25th of Feb. If you need any help just yell other wise enjoy watching.

[trotpace]

Thank you!

Here is the link for anyone who is interested.

http://www.harness.org.au/video/wa/GPM25021103.wmv

[mango]

Hi Trotpace

David Hercules 1.52.7 at Pinjarra on the 7th march race 7.