Ok seriously what are you Australians giving your horses?

[MasterK]

Just watched the Trotters championship and Victoria Derby and the winning horse both times have gone amazingly well. Gold Ace struggled after a good run and hes been up for a while now and sushi sushi has had a few runs and is smashing him. Surely you have to be giving them something

[triplev123]

Judging by the varying states of neglect and disrepair that so many NZ imports arrive in...CARE & ATTENTION.
You guys should try it sometime.

[aussiebreno]

Just watched the Trotters championship and Victoria Derby and the winning horse both times have gone amazingly well. Gold Ace struggled after a good run and hes been up for a while now and sushi sushi has had a few runs and is smashing him. Surely you have to be giving them something
Cmon you guys still got the Hunter Cup it wasnt all doom and gloom

[nat]

I hate to say it but you guy grossly underestimated our horse's and if you guys had anything we would had bought it buy now.

[buster]

in victoria they give them 24 hour guards, brings a few of them undone

[MasterK]

Yea but the hunter cup wasnt won like the other two races. I wouldnt say we underestimated them but our horses did run under par. We'll see how well you guys go in New Zealand soon

[nat]

I would say all the races were won fair and square last night havent seen a replay yet but for one fleeting moment I thought ITMQ was going to win as he wound up down the straight but he sort of reached them half way down and couldnt go any faster

[buster]

righto i cant wait to see sushi sushi smash your colts again in the great northern derby and mr feelgood will win the inter no problems and there is no doubt over us winning the trot

just remember the hunter cup is a handicap and as such blackie, smoken up and mr feelgood weren't there

[MasterK]

Your going to have to be good to beat Monkey King in his castle. Even Delovely will give Blackie and Smoken up a run for there money.
Dont try to claim Mr Feelgood hes just as much ours as yours.
Your 3 year olds might have a bit of trouble going the wrong way round in Auckland. It wont be as easy as you think.

[buster]

cant see why he'll have any trouble

feelgood is us bred, aussie owned and aussie trained?? how is he a kiwi

[aussiebreno]

Master K is a bit like a Collingwood fan me thinks.

[nat]

Hey MasterK

I would say the Trotting Inter is down to about 5-6 horses 4 are Aussie trained horse's
The Pacing side is open to a host of horses of which anyone can win on the night with the right run

[peacheymagic]

Hey Buster, do you know that Sushi sushi is coming for the great northern derby? any other aussies 3yo's coming over for that

[buster]

i now for sure hes going, dont know about any others

[Mighty Atom]

Hi nat, ITMQ coming from near last on the turn,six wide and running an unbelievable time, any other horse would have finished mid field. He is clearly the best horse in Aus at the moment. Is it possible after five positions of near last in the field that by some display of driving ability they could lob the horse mid field,then they would know who their dealing with.

[buster]

forgetting blackie, smoken up when he is right and mr feelgood

[nat]

I feel IMO that ITMQ could sit off Blacky, Trigger and Feelgood and run them down with a sit in nearly all distances at the moment but you cannot keep comming from last this is the big league and the mentioned three are no one trick ponies.

[buster]

feelgood ran a last half of 55.4 after doing work early and ITMQ couldnt get near him after doing no work

[nat]

Yes this is true Feelgood did all these things and ITMQ didn no work but came from near on last 5 length back on the turn to be beaten by a length and being held up by Villagem and Sleepy Trip till the straight. Sit sprint is his game but as I said he cannot keep comming from last to try and win in this company

[MasterK]

Mr Feelgood was New Zealand trained for a while and arent some of the owners New Zealanders?
You may have pretty good horses but so do we and it makes it hard to come overseas and race over 3 consecutive weeks on a new track.
Whats a Collingwood fan?

[aussiebreno]

Mr Feelgood was New Zealand trained for a while and arent some of the owners New Zealanders?
You may have pretty good horses but so do we and it makes it hard to come overseas and race over 3 consecutive weeks on a new track.
Whats a Collingwood fan?
If Mr Feelgood is a kiwi then Auckland Reactor is an Aussie.
Collingwood is a football team. Their supporters are very one eyed.

[MasterK]

Yea and clearly Phar Lap was an aussie

[Shakamaker]

Yea and clearly Phar Lap was an aussie

He was. How many times did he race in NZ?

[MasterK]

Actually Phar Lap was born in NZ about 5mins from where i am at the moment and raced many times in NZ and was owned by New Zealanders.
Our race track 2mins down the road from where i live is called Phar Lap raceway

[aussiebreno]

Actually Phar Lap was born in NZ about 5mins from where i am at the moment and raced many times in NZ and was owned by New Zealanders.
Our race track 2mins down the road from where i live is called Phar Lap raceway
Dont make up stuff. He never raced in NZ. He was bred in NZ but owned and trained and 'took citizenship' in Australia from an early age. Clearly Australian.
When Australian-bred thoroughbreds are sold at the yearling sales and race succesfully in Dubai or other exotic locations the media always refer to them as Australian-BRED - if I had the time I could source out many a Sky Channel reporter calling them Australian-BRED. Yet when a Kiwi-bred is sold overseas NZ always like to claim them as NZ through and through.

[Mighty Atom]

I know its some time away but can't wait for this years Miracle Mile - six in the field, ITMQ parked on them, the only horse capable of a 55 sec or faster last half - cant wait to see that.

[MasterK]

Aussiebreno thats so dumb look at the logic there. He was born in New Zealand making him a kiwi, you cant just say because he only raced in Australia.
Thats like me coming to live in Aussie and then suddenly claiming i'm not a kiwi anymore.
If we look at all sports in general the national team is made up of people born or who have close relatives of that country.
To say that he is Australian because he races there is ridiculous.

[MasterK]

I like how you contradict yourself by saying if Aussie bred horses are sold/race overseas they are Australian but if its a kiwi horse then we can not claim it.
Hey maybe you should stop making stuff up and figure out your statement before making a fool of yourself.
If a poor horse was shipped to Aussie then you would say its ours but if a legendary horse is shipped to Aussie then you'll claim it as yours.
So in your opinion (and let me assure you it is only an opinion) is ITMQ a New Zealand Horse or a Aussie one?
What about Sundon's Gift?

[aussiebreno]

Aussiebreno thats so dumb look at the logic there. He was born in New Zealand making him a kiwi, you cant just say because he only raced in Australia.
Thats like me coming to live in Aussie and then suddenly claiming i'm not a kiwi anymore.
If we look at all sports in general the national team is made up of people born or who have close relatives of that country.
To say that he is Australian because he races there is ridiculous.
He came to Australia at an early age. Interesting you bring up national sides. Look at the England cricket team, Peitersen and a couple others may have been born in South Africa but they have chose England as their country; a debutante during the summer for Australia has Pakistani parents and looks every bit Pakistani, but he has lived in Aust and chose to play for Australia. In the rugby league state of origin series in Australia half the Queensland side are imports! Another cricket example I just thought off, a bloke who couldnt even make state cricket in the 90s went over to Zimbabwe and played test match cricket against Australia!

You obviously missed my argument. We call them Australia-BRED (notice BRED in capital letters) whereas you guys call them New Zealanders FULLSTOP. And you were calling me the fool! Notice the difference yet or do you want me to go through it a little but slower?

ITMQ and SG are both now Australian.

Im stuggling to think of any Australian horses who then went to NZ. Maybe a horse called Lord Vadar did. He is now a New Zealander.

EDIT: Anyway this is beside the point. Mr Feelgood was trained by Butt for what; 12months? Half that time he was in Australia anyway; Mr Feelgood didnt even grace NZ land until after he won the ID!!!!

[triplev123]

It's not Harness related but this thread caused me to recall one of the funniest assumed 'origin' related things I've ever seen on TV. A commentator asked this footballer in one of those on the field after the game live-to-air interviews how he felt about missing out on the Indigenous All-Stars team or some such thing...and the bloke looked stunned & said he wasn't even in the running because he wasn't Aboriginal, he just had very tanned olive skin from being out in the sun all the time. Priceless. The moral is never assume anything.

[aussiebreno]

It's not Harness related but this thread caused me to recall one of the funniest assumed 'origin' related things I've ever seen on TV. A commentator asked this footballer in one of those on the field after the game live-to-air interviews how he felt about missing out on the Indigenous All-Stars team or some such thing...and the bloke looked stunned & said he wasn't even in the running because he wasn't Aboriginal, he just had very tanned olive skin from being out in the sun all the time. Priceless. The moral is never assume anything.
Lol! Another similar story, in Matty John's book he says how he and Andrew were invited to an Indigenous Luncheon. They went, and felt honoured they were the only white blokes invited. Then they got asked to do a speech on the difficulties Indigenous players have in making the NRL!

[triplev123]

Funny blokes. I used to encounter Andrew & Co. in the Cricketer's Arms up in Newcastle from time to time, it was their (the team's) favourite watering hole for quite a while, the proprietor at the time (Dave) was very tight with the Newcastle Club. Anyway, for the most part AJ was off his head back then & wouldn't have known which way was up let alone if he was or was not Indigenous. That his chemical abuse went on for so long before it finally came to a head and something had to be done about it was a damning indictment of the media, both local and State-wide, as well as the NRL & the management of the Club at the time. They ALL knew there was a problem, half the town of Newcastle knew that there was a problem...they'd see the bloke around town every week/weekend and out of his mind, but individually and collectively they aided & abetted it by looking the other way. Sorry for the off-topic. Just something that stirred the blood.