Equity Issues

[Gtrain]

http://www.hrnsw.com.au/hrnsw-media-release564.html

http://www.harness.org.au/news-article.cfm?news_id=18888

Please compare these charges and consequent penalties.

How on earth is this equitable? If there has ever been more conclusive proof of rules for some and rules for others I am yet to see it! How can two so different results come from identical misdemeanors? I cannot wait to hear any possible explanation.

[aussiebreno]

Sure seems Hewitt got out of it lightly compared to Jones and to an extent Painting.

Who knows what happened behind closed doors though.

[Thevoiceofreason]

This rule in harness racing is a total joke as a trainer, driver, owner you not allowed to support your own horse......... which idiot with an IQ of 1 came up with this idea.

I know this is not the case with Hewitt but congratulations to the stewards taking a sensible approach.

Come on Sam and Reid get rid of this rule you are both smart enough to see its obvious deficiencies... I know it will not be an easy task but you are up to it. Common sense must rule.

[Danno]

This rule in harness racing is a total joke as a trainer, driver, owner you not allowed to support your own horse......... which idiot with an IQ of 1 came up with this idea.

I know this is not the case with Hewitt but congratulations to the stewards taking a sensible approach.

Come on Sam and Reid get rid of this rule you are both smart enough to see its obvious deficiencies... I know it will not be an easy task but you are up to it. Common sense must rule.

The rule came into affect in October 2005 Bill,so I reckon it wouldn't be too hard to work out on whose watch it came in. The rules for ever before that were completely the opposite...if the stipes suspected you had given a horse any easy run then you were asked to provide evidence that you HAD supported it.

I agree with you completely that it is an idiotic rule, along with the slow sectionals,change of tactics, and foot dropping rules we have been saddled with in recent times.

[aussiebreno]

I agree with you completely that it is an idiotic rule, along with the slow sectionals,change of tactics, and foot dropping rules we have been saddled with in recent times.

Danno,

I was having a good morning until you mentioned these, especially the bolded part. Shits me to tears it does every time a driver gets fined for slow sectionals.

[Gtrain]

While I am of the opinion that the rule is a disgrace how on earth does one person receive 40% of the fine another person received for identical indiscretions undertaken more frequently? This is the problem with NSW HR (amongst many others).

The severity of penalties seems to lie directly with distance the steward has to travel to get to you. Or maybe what side of the bed the steward got out of that morning? Or maybe what happened or didn't happen before he gets out of bed? Who knows!!

[Greg Hando]

Nothing to stop a trainer or an owner supporting their horse Bill.

[Thevoiceofreason]

Nothing to stop a trainer or an owner supporting their horse Bill.

If you drive it there is and that is why the rule is so stupid.

You buy one, spend 12 months getting it going, drive it in every trial, know its issues backwards, its flying but has a trick to it, if you want to back the horse because you think it can win, you have to put on another driver..... that logic in an industry that is family based beggers belief.

[Thevoiceofreason]

The rule came into affect in October 2005 Bill,so I reckon it wouldn't be too hard to work out on whose watch it came in. The rules for ever before that were completely the opposite...if the stipes suspected you had given a horse any easy run then you were asked to provide evidence that you HAD supported it.

I agree with you completely that it is an idiotic rule, along with the slow sectionals,change of tactics, and foot dropping rules we have been saddled with in recent times.

Foot Dropping..... sounds personal was it a habit you had when you drove.

[mary]

Foot Dropping..... sounds personal was it a habit you had when you drove.


Funny, I know someone that had a sign on his gig to stop him dropping his foot.

[2minuteman]

Nothing to stop a trainer or an owner supporting their horse Bill.
And of course it would be totally beyond comprehension that part of those bets would include the interest of the trainer.
That a pig flying by?:mad:

[Danno]

Foot Dropping..... sounds personal was it a habit you had when you drove.

Hahahaha...your a funny bloke Bill.......as a matter of fact yes, it cost me the odd 50 here and there....but the silly thing about the rule in all seriousness, is that it was brought in on the suspicion that drivers were "hock kicking " horses, as had been happening in North America, when in reality here in Australasia, our carts are narrower and longer and it's HIGHLY unlikely that anyone is gunna have legs long enough to actually carry out the kicking! Sure you could kick them in the extended hind hoof or fetlock but that would be counter productive...it would put the horse off balance and quite possibly cause damage to your own! ( I know this to be true as being an old foot dropper from way back I have inadvertently experienced this a couple of times)

Cheers,
Dan

[Thevoiceofreason]

Its funny you post that report Mel because in an earlier post Danno says doing just that would be "counter productive"........then again I think Danno is a driver and I have been told drivers sometimes tell little fibs..... god forbid.

[Danno]

Its funny you post that report Mel because in an earlier post Danno says doing just that would be "counter productive"........then again I think Danno is a driver and I have been told drivers sometimes tell little fibs..... god forbid.

Drivers only tell little fibs to owners, trainers, the general public, stewards, other drivers and their wives Bill, everyone other than these groups are told the truth....well a version of it anyway.