Fremantle Cup

[HaroldParker]

"I won't be leaving anything to chance" Im Themightyquinn's driver Gary Hall Jr. said on Racing Radio's Big Breakfast.

"I'll be looking to get straight off and he'll be driven like the best horse".

i.e I'll let Hokonui Ben's driver know when it's time to go and I'll track him 3 wide from the bell : )

Lombo Navigator spoils the party this week.

[G-Mac]

Looks like another ITMQ Benefit Race.
Too many Hall runners in the race for ITMQ not to get an appropriate run. He will have to snag back to last to get in the moving line but there is no doubt he will get a trail home. I think Bob is on the money, ITMQ makes a 3 wide move at the 1100m and Hokunui pops out in front of him to give him the cart home.
Opened at $1.70. Free money.

[Maorisidol]

"I won't be leaving anything to chance" Im Themightyquinn's driver Gary Hall Jr. said on Racing Radio's Big Breakfast.

"I'll be looking to get straight off and he'll be driven like the best horse".

i.e I'll let Hokonui Ben's driver know when it's time to go and I'll track him 3 wide from the bell : )

Lombo Navigator spoils the party this week.

could be on the money with Lombo Navigator Bob, just watched the Perth Id Final replay where he ran third and was held up, got out late made up very good ground, wouldve grabbed 2nd no problem and if out clearly early enough may have been a very close judges decision for winner.
Good draw this week.

[Triple V]

Along with Lombo Navigator...am I having a brain fade...or did there also used to be a Franco Navigator doing the rounds?

[Big K]

Its funny considering how weak the horses are over here (according to some experts on here) that the conections of other horses think that they have a big chance in the race also.

Snipperts from the West Aus paper...
Comeback pacer"Crombie"has shrugged off leg problems from last year and conections are confident he will fully test hot favourite ITMQ in The Freo Cup.
His career looked in jeapordy last year with a tendon injury.Last week he steamed home from 8th position to run second to ITMQ and made up ground on him in the final stages.

Lombo Navigatorwill be driven aggressively after drawing gate 3.Lombo Navigator will come out all guns blazing De Campo said.
He'll be put right into the race this week,it would be good to have an eight length break on ITMQ at the 400m.
DeCampo's other horse Dasher VC drew barrier 1,he was having his 1st race for 11 weeks when 3rd in the WA Pacing Cup.
The horse pulled up last Friday as if there would be improvement in him De Campo said,that was confirmed when I worked him this morning(Tues).He's definately improved with the 1st up run.

Hall has said that he will pull Quinnie back to last after drawing the inside of the back line.Hall rates Hokonui Ben as a genuine danger to Quinnie.

Should be a great race.

[Triple V]

I reckon the biggest problem horses face going West to East or East to West to race is that they don't do it well ahead of time to settle in.
One of the smartest thing I ever saw horse management wise was Darren Hancock & Tony Hilton sending Jofess across to WA to stay at Ken White's place weeks and weeks ahead of the opening rounds of the Perth ID...where he ultimately beat The Falcon Strike by a nose, landing some huge bets in the process.

[Toni]

Absolutely VVV - hit the nail on the head. The travelling distance and time difference is too great to be able to leg it over there for a few weeks and be competitive.

[Mighty Atom]

Quinny, a little disappointing last night. Not taking anything away from the winner;to sit on the outside of Dasher VC for a lap and a bit is no easy task, but he had a good run
in the race and he has done it before although from a sprint position. Slugging it out on the outside even for 900 metres is not his forte and I think G Hall jnr is starting to learn.

[Danno]

Clever drive from Lewis, he really drove Dasher VC to absolute perfection IMO, and upping the tempo when ITMQ came up from about the 1100 meant ITMQ had to work hard for the last 3 quarters, that with too long in the breeze for Quinny aided the end result, a great race but and Lombo Navigator had his chance too.

[LisaB25]

A good night for the decampos first and third in the feature, also took out the albany cup with adda paternal suit and brother steve taking out the consulation with son of fergie..

[Maorisidol]

" has done it before although from a SPRINT POSITION. Slugging it out on the outside even for 900 metres is not his forte and I think G Hall jnr is starting to learn."
G Hall should have been reading my posts hey Rod!!! :o:o:o:o:o:o:o

[terror]

gary jr once said belieave in the horse speed, so were is the belieaving in him now?? why changing his racing style going early was his lost of the race once again, he should know the horse by now.

[dizzy]

" has done it before although from a SPRINT POSITION. Slugging it out on the outside even for 900 metres is not his forte and I think G Hall jnr is starting to learn."
G Hall should have been reading my posts hey Rod!!! :o:o:o:o:o:o:o

Actually I think the other drivers have been reading. Chris Lewis forced his hand, and got the desired result.

[broncobrad]

In total agreeance with Mary Dizzy and Dan in regard to the driving tactics of the winner. Perfection in tempo by Chris Lewis. If Gary stayed in instead of going when he did he may still be looking for a run. I think he had no choice but to go, his undoing was being positioned too far forward from the start. My question, on that one run alone, without any luck in running and with the possibility of being exposed on the big track at Menangle, up against the best horses from Oz and NZ, on that one run alone, how can IMTQ be considered a realistic chance? TTL is still 4/1 equal fav with IMTQ, obviously the form analyst hasn't seen the replay either.

I think a truer reflection of the market would be TTL 2/1, Carribean Blaster 5/1, Excel Stride, Smoken Up and Gold Ace 8/1, and IMTQ about 10/1. Don't start trying to get on with me, just what I think.

[Danno]

Brad,
I think ITMQ at this moment it time is a realistic chance in any race he contests, but he's NOT a get up in their face, knock 'em down and drag 'em out sort of horse like Smoken Up, Pure Steel and to a lesser degree ( in style of racing only) Blacks A Fake. He's more of Koala King sort of horse, gets the right run and has a devastating final burst that puts everyone to sleep!
He has been driven accordingly and has reaped wonderfull results thus far, but when Jnr stayed back as long as he did last night he ended up with no option but to play into Lewis' hands...thats how I saw it anyway, the pretty little VERY fast black horse, is dead set ripper of a pony, BUT he's not one of those "make the race your own" sort of horses.

[Big K]

Great win by Dasher and good drive by Lewis.your assessment Brad is spot on,if Hall had of stayed in I think ITMQ would have finished third at best.I think there is a good number of horses that could win the Inter's as well and it will depend on all the variables for most of them.Should be great for betting at least.As far as ITMQ goes I have never said he is the best but a champion none the less.I always considered he would be the hardest horse to match race against because of his blinding speed.

[HaroldParker]

Geez, tough crowd. I thought it was a great run. 29.1 to the breeze then 55.7 home. Failed by a Head.

Last year they went a lead time of 93 for 2902, this year a shade better than 100 for 2936 then a 31.4 !

Lombo Navigator had his chance but tough to make up one inch coming 3 wide going 55.7. Off balance a little too turning, going too fast. I still like him a lot at the $35 to make it to Sydney.

[little fish]

If you're getting in the media calling people chickens you'd want to be winning the race wouldn't you?

Maybe lance should get on radio and do a gobble gobble sound

[aussiebreno]

If you're getting in the media calling people chickens you'd want to be winning the race wouldn't you?

Maybe lance should get on radio and do a gobble gobble sound
7-3

[p plater]

Brendan, I thought these 2 had only raced each other 7 times. Being 2 Inters, 3 Vic Cups, 1 MM, 1 Cranbourne Cup
Are you able to list the ones I'm missing please.

[Triple V]

My question, on that one run alone, without any luck in running and with the possibility of being exposed on the big track at Menangle, up against the best horses from Oz and NZ, on that one run alone, how can IMTQ be considered a realistic chance?

[VVV] G'day Brad. I am reading ITMQ's chances at Menangle the other way insofar as I think that sweeping bend and big stretch might/will work in his favour rather than against him.
If he is driven cold and gets to use his burst when he wants to I can't see any horse holding him out. Of course a lot's going to depend on draws and his position in the field at the critical points but with any sort of position & clear air to the wire...speed kills.

[Toohard]

Brendan, I thought these 2 had only raced each other 7 times. Being 2 Inters, 3 Vic Cups, 1 MM, 1 Cranbourne Cup
Are you able to list the ones I'm missing please.

We can only find 8 times they met. Formatting not good when cut and paste into here so have attached as file.

[broncobrad]

Crikey Toohard, you sure put the hard yards in, thanks. I so 'do not' want to re-ignite the debate over IMTQs champion qualities, it has been done to death. Maybe the purists on the forum, who have intimate knowledge and memorys of past champions can help out here, but I honestly cannot recall such an obvious stars credibility ever being called into so much question as IMTQ. In general, I think his standing in most peoples minds dictates that he is indeed a wonderful animal and his finishing bursts will become legendary when we are all dead and buried. I think for such a 'tried' horse, he is the ultimate enigma.

VVV, I have also thought how his finishing burst would pretty well disable anything on four legs at Menangle, but I just cannot see him gaining the advantage over the pack and maintaining that same advantage in a slog. I take your point how the course should suit him, but I can't get it out of my mind how devastating his last corner was in the WA ID final. It looked like he had just joined in the race (on a greyhound track and absolutely no disrespect to Gloucester Park here). Those sweeping bends at Menangle however, will find him out because once he gets around them, there is a mighty long straight in front of him.

This is not a slanging much about his ability guys...I hate how horses get attacked on here sometimes. They are after all just horses. Just what I reckon.

[Danno]

G'day Brad,
In my humble opinion ITMQ has a distinct advantage on smaller tracks due to his ability to get around them, he is able to muster and maintain speed just as well on an 800m cicuit as 1,000m or for that matter 1400, (if you think thats arguable take the time to analyse his results, so please before I say this don't get me wrong I AM NOT bagging the horse AT ALL, he is an absolute ripper of a pony and I have been trying all my life to get one HALF as good as him) so I think what will/has made things a little trickier for him at courses in the eastern states is that he loses that advantage he has over the others on the smaller circuit.

That factor alone makes it more difficult for the horse come ID (?) time, plus the driving to the track disadvantage Jnr will have, anyone who's driven a few times on Menangle will tell you it's like any other track, you need a few drives on it to get a handle on how to make the most of it and Menangle is more so than most, just look at the sectionals they run in average races there and that will give you a heads up why I'm saying ITMQ's high speed capabilities will be negated to a degree at Menangle.

cheers,
Dan

[aussiebreno]

Hunter Cup 2010 = ITMQ
Cranbourne Cup 2010 = ITMQ
Vic Cup 2010 = ITMQ
2011 ID = ITMQ
2011 Miracle Mile = SUp
2011 Vic Cup = SUp
2012 ID = ITMQ
2012 Vic Cup = ITMQ

6-2. Sorry I gave them an extra win each. I thought Smoken Up ran in the Auckland Cup that ITMQ won. And I was just being nice to Trigger with his extra win! Who knows, maybe one will win the Inter and the other the Miracle Mile in the coming months.

I don't use those stats to denigrate Smoken Up. I use them to say how good is Smoken Up, yet ITMQ has this record against him.

[Toohard]

Crikey Toohard, you sure put the hard yards in, thanks.


Can't take credit for that Brad. Someone else's research. All off top of his head too.
And yes he's one-eyed. And good on him for being so! He won't drop off and nor should he.
And nor should anyone else with differing opinions.
He's like a courteous, polite and reasonable version of Rod.

Looking at his analysis of the times they have met;

1. When SU gallops on 1st turn and out of race, ITMQ does win race.
2. When ITMQ sits behind leader other than SU and uses sprint lane. ITMQ does win race.

3. When SU leads. ITMQ doesn't win race.
3 (a). When SU leads and ITMQ sits on his back, sprint lane or not. ITMQ doesn't win race.
4. When ITMQ sits behind leader and doesn't use sprint lane. ITMQ doesn't win race.
5. When SU out 3 wide no cover ensuring true run race, ITMQ doesn't win race.


Based on their clashes so far, for ITMQ to WIN a race SU is in;

He will need to be behind the leader and be able to get up inside the leader in the home straight.

As long as SU is not the leader OR
At no stage during the race is SU able to get to the 3 wide line OR
SU gallops at the start.

[Danno]

Based on their clashes so far, for ITMQ to WIN a race SU is in;

He will need to be behind the leader and be able to get up inside the leader in the home straight.

As long as SU is not the leader OR
At no stage during the race is SU able to get to the 3 wide line OR
SU gallops at the start.


Paul, I think you forgot SU DQ'd :)

[Maorisidol]

Paul, I think you forgot SU DQ'd :)

Quite right Danno
and in fact if a horse is disqualified from a race, that means it didnt actually compete....so how can you record a "win" against that horse if that horse didnt actually race?
Hence Quinn does not get the "win" for NZ ID cos Smoken Up wasnt really there!
Need to adjust that one Brenno...

[Toohard]

Paul, I think you forgot SU DQ'd :)

Didn't know where fit that one in Dan. DSQ means non-competitor?

Will try..

Looking at his analysis of the times they have met;

1. When SU gallops on 1st turn and out of race, ITMQ does win race.
2. When ITMQ sits behind leader other than SU and uses sprint lane. ITMQ does win race.
3. When SU wins race. ITMQ second. SU Disqualified. ITMQ does win race.

4. When SU leads. ITMQ doesn't win race unless SU disqualified
4 (a). When SU leads and ITMQ sits on his back, sprint lane or not. ITMQ doesn't win race.
5. When ITMQ sits behind leader and doesn't use sprint lane. ITMQ doesn't win race.
6. When SU out 3 wide no cover ensuring true run race, ITMQ doesn't win race.


Based on their clashes so far, for ITMQ to WIN a race SU is in;

He will need to be behind the leader and be able to get up inside the leader in the home straight.

As long as SU is not the leader OR
At no stage during the race is SU able to get to the 3 wide line OR
SU gallops at the start OR
SU wins race ITMQ runs 2nd and SU disqualified

[aussiebreno]

http://thelosangelesbeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/straws.jpg

[aussiebreno]

5-2 serving for the set in the Inter this year.

[Toohard]

http://thelosangelesbeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/straws.jpg

hahahaha Too Good!!

[Triple V]

Jesus Breno, did you have to?
My kids leave those damned things all around the house.
Buggered if I know why. :confused:

[Danno]

Monkey see monkey do??

[Mighty Atom]

Can't take credit for that Brad. Someone else's research. All off top of his head too.
And yes he's one-eyed. And good on him for being so! He won't drop off and nor should he.
And nor should anyone else with differing opinions.
He's like a courteous, polite and reasonable version of Rod.

Looking at his analysis of the times they have met;

1. When SU gallops on 1st turn and out of race, ITMQ does win race.
2. When ITMQ sits behind leader other than SU and uses sprint lane. ITMQ does win race.

3. When SU leads. ITMQ doesn't win race.
3 (a). When SU leads and ITMQ sits on his back, sprint lane or not. ITMQ doesn't win race.
4. When ITMQ sits behind leader and doesn't use sprint lane. ITMQ doesn't win race.
5. When SU out 3 wide no cover ensuring true run race, ITMQ doesn't win race.


Based on their clashes so far, for ITMQ to WIN a race SU is in;

He will need to be behind the leader and be able to get up inside the leader in the home straight.

As long as SU is not the leader OR
At no stage during the race is SU able to get to the 3 wide line OR
SU gallops at the start.


I must admit, aussie does have finesse, but I'll accept that as a compliment anyway.

[Triple V]

Monkey see monkey do??

Hahahahahaha. It has been a while since we conducted Cocktail Hour around here. Geeze, back before the girls came along it was on for young and old. Now, a nice cup of tea and a snooze on the lounge. Inside 10 years I have become an old shagger.

[matrightyeh]

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